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My hope is that he'll eventually make some big mistakes that will send him to jail. Or does presidential grace give him total immunity?
by yodsanklai 2y ago
My hope is that he'll eventually make some big mistakes that will send him to jail. Or does presidential grace give him total immunity?
- amazingamazing 2y agopresidents can't pardon state crimes
- enema_bag_jones 2y agoWhat about criminal use of punctuation? :)
- CursedSilicon 2y agoI believe Word Crimes are Weird Al's jurisdiction [1] [1] https://youtu.be/8Gv0H-vPoDc?si=GLlj48cMtoKYVCRP https://youtu.be/8Gv0H-vPoDc?si=GLlj48cMtoKYVCRP
- verve_rat 2y agoAlthough... 4D chess move, if a state starts prosecution against Musk, get the DoJ to do it first and then pardon him after the fact. Double jeopardy would stop the state from continuing with the prosecution, and the pardon means no consequences. I hate that I consider this an actually possibly.
- slavik81 2y agoYou can be tried by both the state and the federal government for the same conduct, and it is not double jeopardy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamble_v._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamble_v._United_States
- lowmagnet 2y agoYes a superseding indictment would be all it takes. Charge him with something at the state level that doesn't have a federal equivalent. He reincorporated in Texas because of it's corruption friendliness, so that's unlikely.
- senordevnyc 2y agoMore likely: Trump lets him slash and burn, then turns on him and throws him under the bus to the American public. Very typical Trump playbook. Maybe he also takes a page from Putin’s playbook and puts him on trial in a very public and humiliating way, sending a clear message to all the other oligarchs.
- pests 2y agoI listen to Cohen on his podcast and on YT. He was once Trump's right hand man, they were buddies for 15+ years. Even he says Trump will cast Elon aside when he is no longer useful. I know a lot of people don't like Cohen. I have my own friends I've had for 15+ years and I know them well, just as much as Cohen knows Trump, so I feel there might be some validity to his thoughts.
- cyberax 2y agoThis assumes that Trump is actually able to make decisions. He's clearly showing signs of dementia, and so he's easily controllable. His handlers just make sure he forgets anything they don't want him to remember. Do you think Trump of 8 years ago would have allowed Musk to usurp the news cycle? Or even allowed the merest notion that he's not controlling _everything_? Remember, Trump actually underwent a colonoscopy without sedation to avoid relinquishing the control of the nuclear weapons to Pence. This dude is a control freak.
- novok 2y agoColonoscopies are not that bad; many countries do it without sedation. The sedation part is annoying in multiple ways; it prevents you from doing a bunch of stuff the rest of the day, while without sedation, you can continue as if not much has happened afterward. Even endoscopies are possible without sedation, but most people don't have the ability to not squirm or gag for that one. You can even see youtube videos of people doing that one without sedation.
- ModernMech 2y agoBy my measure, Cohen is the only person from Trump world who has redeemed himself. He’s still a slimey hot head, but he sees Trump for what he is, and he’s committed himself to making things right. Of course he’s trying to profit as much as possible, but he serves as an example that even the biggest sycophants can make it out of the cult.
- ben_w 2y agoGiven Musk is currently pissing off foreign governments, there is a real danger that one of those governments will just send in a nice looking person with some tea to have a quiet chat with him. After which, he will look very tired, and suddenly stop being "turbulent", as per the meaning several judges have recently noted in Trump trials was once infamously said by a king of a priest. Then I will be sad, because I would have liked to have gone to Mars.
- JKCalhoun 2y agoI've thought that too (you articulated it well). I mean, there are other uber rich in the world that, you know, are president of a different country — and might feel threatened by Musk's wealth. I too would have liked to see Musk go to Mars.
- UltraSane 2y agoI have thought the same thing. Musk can protect himself from the average nutjob but he is working very hard to make the kinds of enemies he will NOT be able to protect himself from.
- CoastalCoder 2y agoCan you give an example? I dislike Musk as much as the next person, but I can't think of any major state actors or criminal organizations he'd currently be antagonizing.
- deadbabe 2y agoDon’t worry, once he is no longer under the protection of the US government he’ll probably be a dead man. They will get to him.
- AnotherGoodName 2y agoHe’s pushed boundaries on the Ukraine war. Both the Russians and the Ukrainians would be willing and capable of assassination if it helped war goals but I think he just hasn’t quite crossed a line to either side where he’s better off dead. Eg. Starlink connections in Ukraine are geofenced. Which would piss off both sides in various ways. Pisses off ukraine because they have legitimate targets outside the fence and pisses off russia because they have legitimate targets inside the fence. That’s walking a fine line.
- onemoresoop 2y agoNo way, he’ll buy his way out of the courtroom. He may even enjoy the attention.