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I think you still have the right to travel without ID. The TSA may demand it, and may tell you it's legally required, but that doesn't make that true. If you sh
by NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago
I think you still have the right to travel without ID. The TSA may demand it, and may tell you it's legally required, but that doesn't make that true. If you show up at the airport without an ID, you'll still be allowed to fly domestically. Of course, how easy that is probably depends on whether you frame it as a "woops!" or as a "fuck you guys!". They'll put you through extra "security" screening and try to confirm your ID other ways.
"In fact, the TSA does not require, and the law does not authorize the TSA to require, that would-be travelers show any identity documents. According to longstanding practice, people who do not show any identity documents travel by air every day – typically after being required to complete and sign the current version of TSA Form 415 and answer questions about what information is contained in the file about them obtained by the TSA from data broker Accurint…."
https://papersplease.org/wp/2020/05/19/tsa-tries-again-to-impose-an-id-requirement-to-fly/ https://papersplease.org/wp/2020/05/19/tsa-tries-again-to-im...
https://papersplease.org/wp/2024/03/18/buses-trains-and-us-domestic-travel-without-id/ https://papersplease.org/wp/2024/03/18/buses-trains-and-us-d...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_Unit...
- ghaff 2y agoApparently, this is changing: https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification#:~:text=Adult%20passengers%2018%20and%20older,checkpoint%20in%20order%20to%20travel.&text=Beginning%20May%207%2C%202025%2C%20if,it%20is%20REAL%20ID%20compliant. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification...
- alexanderchr 2y agoI think only their definition of ”acceptable ID” is changing. The section for ”Don’t Have Your Acceptable ID?” stays the same.
- abecedarius 2y agoThat reads basically like "if you seem cooperative enough with our extra effort to check your identity, we'll probably let you through". That's just a very different country from "you need greenbacks to buy a ticket over the counter." Similarly though admittedly more permissive, with Amtrak iirc it's like: you need a credit card and they probably won't check your ID. There were several more years after 9/11 before the "papers please" principle came for the trains and buses too. E.g. search turned up a claim Greyhound "employees are not allowed to sell a ticket without an official ID" https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/140703/i-have-no-identification-to-get-on-the-bus-how-does-that-work https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/140703/i-have-no-...
- ghaff 2y agoIf you walk onto the train with a ticket you printed, I don't think I've ever been asked for an ID. I might if I were picking up a ticket at the station. You definitely need ID for hotels a lot of the time. Not sure the level where the regulations are put in place--probably varies--and Europe is probably more formal than the US in this regard. Was staying with a friend in Europe about a year ago and they had to take our passports to the police station to make us "official." As I wrote elsewhere, I also had a challenge in the US a few years back but I expect that, had I been at my usual chain, there would have been a discussion with the manager followed by "I see nothing, I hear nothing."
- scarface_74 2y agoWould that be the same country that had an average of one plane hijacking a day?
- abecedarius 2y agoWhich country was that? ID is not security.
- scarface_74 2y agoFor planes? Look at the number of hijackings in the 60’s and 70s
- NoImmatureAdHom 2y agoThey can claim whatever they want, but that doesn't make it true. The law hasn't changed. It sucks to be in this situation, though.