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was looking for a musk margin call in 2023, no such luck, now he’s VP and markets are still fake
by dustingetz 2y ago
was looking for a musk margin call in 2023, no such luck, now he’s VP and markets are still fake
- margalabargala 2y agoWe'll see. After throwing out a few Nazi salutes, Tesla sales have been tanking in Europe.
- pipes 2y agoOr the press pretending that it was a nazi salute, outrage sells.
- MagnumOpus 2y agoEveryone who saw the speech, saw the three (!) Heil Hitlers and the ensuing smirk that said “whatcha gonna do, suckers?”. Pretending at equivocating just to troll will tank your own credibility.
- mewpmewp2 2y agoIf it was standalone event you could perhaps argue it was accidental. But the fact that he is supporting Afd who had done similar things in the past where they run a campaign, and make nazi symbolism in such a way that it would be barely legal, but at the same time obvious to everyone what they are referring to, it is pretty damning.
- 6stringronin 2y agoI'm curious if you know what a Nazi salute looks like? Make a comparison by looking it up, he does the salute twice. Of course you can argue in bad faith because it costs you nothing to be wrong but does that imply you are promoting this behavior? Seems like the obvious implication The media is outraged because a duck quacks like a duck
- pipes 2y agohttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy48v1x4dv4o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy48v1x4dv4o I really don't buy it, it just looks like an awkward gesture. From the article: But the Anti-Defamation League, an organisation founded to combat antisemitism, did not agree. "It seems that Elon Musk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute," it posted on X.
- Zigurd 2y agoYou mean the German newspaper Zeit with headlines like "Ein Hitlergruß ist ein Hitlergruß ist ein Hitlergruß"
- Sohcahtoa82 2y agoIt WAS a Nazi salute, and claiming otherwise is textbook gaslighting.
- delfinom 2y agoSeptember 2025: President Musk announces all new federal vehicles will be Teslas.
- margalabargala 2y agoSeptember? It's early February. You really think it'll take 7 months?
- labster 2y agoTo get to President Musk, longer than that. On the other hand, he was called Prime Minister Musk by a congressman all the way back in December. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/gonzales-elon-musk-prime-minister-trump-rcna185165 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/gonzales-elon-musk...
- sdenton4 2y agoNah, just has to convince Trump to replace Vance with him, and then do a regicide.
- amazingamazing 2y ago[flagged]
- ben_w 2y agoIt took a while, and a huge investment from the US to avoid the locals flocking to the DDR. (The Soviets, unable to put in as big an investment, built the wall to stop DDR citizens from making the opposite trip).
- amazingamazing 2y agoindeed.
- gen220 2y agoThe history of the border between the DDR and FRG is quite nuanced and interesting. The Iron Curtain was more of a cooperative effort, especially early on, and especially outside of Berlin. Worthwhile reading on the subject: https://www.amazon.com/Burned-Bridge-East-Germans-Curtain/dp/0199314616 https://www.amazon.com/Burned-Bridge-East-Germans-Curtain/dp.... In some ways, the existence of a physical border begat the political and economic division, as much as the other way around!
- gonzo41 2y agoAnd Australia. Musk drove everyone in BYD's arms.
- jiggawatts 2y agoThe weak Aussie dollar and the low cost of BYD cars is what did that. Also, Tesla stopped selling the Model S here.
- decimalenough 2y agoNothing specific to Australia, there are no RHD versions of the new S/X anywhere in the world. But S/X sales were a rounding error compared to 3/Y anyway.
- threeseed 2y agoModel S stopped being sold here in 2023. In 2024, Tesla reported a 17% drop in Australia despite EV market growing.
- aswanson 2y agoI'm pretty sympathetic on protecting the country from CCP subsidized market capture, but at this point we need to let BYD sell here. It would lower vehicle prices and knock off tesla. Both of which need to happen.
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- ulfw 2y agoand plenty of other great cars. Zeekr X looks tasty. So many choices Americans won't ever have because Musk owns that country now.
- throwccp 2y ago[dead]
- eli_gottlieb 2y agoAlso after Teslas keep catching on fire more than the damn Ford Pinto did.
- fencepost 2y agoMight not be enough data for good statistical significance yet, but IIRC the "die in a fire" probability in a Tesla Refrigerator is something like 17x the Ford Pinto based on current numbers.
- decimalenough 2y agoCitation needed. Last I checked EVs are much less likely to catch fire than ICEs. (They are, however, much harder to put out if they do.)
- OnlineGladiator 2y agohttps://www.tesla-fire.com/ https://www.tesla-fire.com/
- decimalenough 2y agoThat list is garbage: it includes Tesla Megapacks (energy storage, not car), multi-car crashes where any car catches fire, a car carrier carrying Teslas catching fire, etc. Did you have any actual statistics to back up your assertion?
- WalterSear 2y agoVehicle Model | Total Units | Fire Fatalities |Fatality Rate (per 100k) Tesla Cybertruck| 34,438 | 5 | 14.52 Ford Pinto | 3,173,491 | 27 | 0.85 https://fuelarc.com/evs/its-official-the-cybertruck-is-more-explosive-than-the-ford-pinto/ https://fuelarc.com/evs/its-official-the-cybertruck-is-more-...
- rastignack 2y agoI don’t think we need to lie or be disingenuous about this gesture, Elon is not known for his hate of Jewish people. I think this obviously fake take helps him. There is enough to criticize in his actions.
- pjc50 2y agoEuropean countries are quite capable of making their own judgement about a gesture, especially when it would be illegal in France and Germany. https://www.zeit.de/kultur/2025-01/elon-musk-hitler-salute-inauguration-donald-trump-english https://www.zeit.de/kultur/2025-01/elon-musk-hitler-salute-i...
- addandsubtract 2y agoGerman media has been extremely coy calling Elon out about it. You would think that they'd be all over this, but them phrasing it as questions and digging out the "roman salute" (that no one here has heard of before) has been an eye-opening experience.
- ben_w 2y agoHave they? I mean, that was a link to a German newspaper and the headline is: > A German Eye On Elon Musk's Hitler Salute (Yes, That's A Hitler Salute)
- addandsubtract 2y agoIt's an opinion piece, and exceptions confirm the rule. Just search for German news articles on Google.de. See how many legit news outlets mention "Musk Hitlergruß" and how many more opt to beat around the bush when you search for "Musk Geste".
- ben_w 2y agoDo you even get a count of search results? They no longer include that number in my search results. But I have just tried "Musk Geste" on google.de news tab (I don't know how Google is personalising either my search results or your results, but FWIW I'm in Berlin), and of the first page, 6/10 links explicitly call the gesture a "Hitlergruß" in the summary, and the other four call it that (or note that some people have called it that) in the body.
- 01jonny01 2y agoOh come on stop perpetuating misinformation. Unless Musk is going to Nazi rallies and jew hating I can't take anyone who believes this seriously.
- bcrosby95 2y agoHow is it misinformation? It's obvious what it was. Doesn't mean he's a Nazi, maybe he's "just" a '90s era trolling edgelord. Come to think of it, considering his X shitposts he boosts to hundreds of millions of people every day, that's a good description of him. [To people who think he's a Nazi: yes, I've read all the arguments, no, I don't care - giving him the benefit of the doubt still makes him a gigantic shitlord who think its funny to do Nazi salutes.]
- latexr 2y agoReach matters. If you’re a nobody with three followers and tell someone on the internet to kill themselves, you’re a troll and can be ignored. If you have millions of followers, that one comment will get the other person doxxed, threatened by your followers, and may end up in physical harm to them and their family. If you own a social media platform and have this amount of reach you can never be “just a troll edgelord”.
- defrost 2y agoYou forgot the /s tag. Musk has been going to far right rallies and jew hating for some time now. eg: https://clearthis.page/?u=https://www.crikey.com.au/2025/01/22/elon-musk-nazi-salute-roman-salute-antisemitic-donald-trump/ https://clearthis.page/?u=https://www.crikey.com.au/2025/01/...
- 01jonny01 2y agoLol this article is nothing but conjecture written by someone who clearly already hates him
- margalabargala 2y agoMisinformation? There are multiple videos of Elon doing a Nazi salute. The goalpost does not need to be moved to "if he's not literally operating a gas chamber, he's fine". The best interpretation is that he doesn't care how it looks to others when he does a Nazi salute. Like others said, he's more 90s edgelord than actual jew-hating Nazi. And the car markets in Europe are showing him what they think of people who do Nazi salutes publicly.
- yodsanklai 2y agoMy hope is that he'll eventually make some big mistakes that will send him to jail. Or does presidential grace give him total immunity?
- amazingamazing 2y agopresidents can't pardon state crimes
- enema_bag_jones 2y agoWhat about criminal use of punctuation? :)
- CursedSilicon 2y agoI believe Word Crimes are Weird Al's jurisdiction [1] [1] https://youtu.be/8Gv0H-vPoDc?si=GLlj48cMtoKYVCRP https://youtu.be/8Gv0H-vPoDc?si=GLlj48cMtoKYVCRP
- verve_rat 2y agoAlthough... 4D chess move, if a state starts prosecution against Musk, get the DoJ to do it first and then pardon him after the fact. Double jeopardy would stop the state from continuing with the prosecution, and the pardon means no consequences. I hate that I consider this an actually possibly.
- slavik81 2y agoYou can be tried by both the state and the federal government for the same conduct, and it is not double jeopardy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamble_v._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamble_v._United_States
- lowmagnet 2y agoYes a superseding indictment would be all it takes. Charge him with something at the state level that doesn't have a federal equivalent. He reincorporated in Texas because of it's corruption friendliness, so that's unlikely.
- UltraSane 2y agoTesla sales are collapsing globally partly due to Musk's mental breakdown and are not likely to recover much, especially since Tesla no longer really has a CEO.
- saagarjha 2y agoThe stock seems to be unaware though
- SR2Z 2y agoThe stock has certainly responded, although only time will tell if it'll return to a more sensible valuation. My guess is that this robotaxi launch will make or break the company. If the product looks like any other first-gen driverless service, Tesla is screwed. The price to upgrade all those older Teslas is gonna be gigantic and the company is already heavily scrutinized for their lackadaisical approach to QA and safety.
- floatrock 2y agoStock is betting on VP Musk continuing to pull up the ladder for all the EV competitors. Tesla CEO Musk got his fed grants to build out his charger network, now it's time to make sure no one else does so his remains on top. Downvote if you must, but the man knows how to protect his moats while branding it "ending wasteful government spending".
- onemoresoop 2y agoHe may know some things, he got pretty far. But he seems to make some of the dumbest moves. While his 180 turn in politics may have got him closer to his power goals he alientated too many people who used to buy into his vision. Republicans don’t care about EVs or whatever Musk wants to sell them so it seems poorly though out…
- tarsinge 2y agoBut competitors are already here and as others have stated Tesla sales are free falling outside the US, at best that’ll only work for the US. Even in that best case I don’t think that market alone justify the stock valuation. But even in the US I don’t get what will be the Tesla mass demographics anymore.
- rlt 2y ago[flagged]
- spiderfarmer 2y agoI’m pretty sure this was a financial take. Musk and his companies didn’t become immune to criticism when he started meddling in US politics. And by any measure, Tesla stock is crazy overvalued.
- rlt 2y ago[flagged]
- spiderfarmer 2y agoYou’re grasping at straws and then try to hide behind the rulebook.
- randomcarbloke 2y agoI would love to see a margin call on the tesla secured borrowing, he'd very publicly lose his marbles.