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how um is this different from pypi or public repos in other languages... you could try to publish junk anywhere

recursive 2y ago
In node projects, having more dependencies is usually seen as an asset, not a liability. Other than that, I don't think there's a difference. When I write node projects, I tend to minimize dependencies, but I've seen PR comments saying "you know you could just get a package to do that".
- cluckindan 2y ago
  ”Usually”? Do you have some statistics on that, or do you just feel that way?
  - recursive 2y ago
    Just feel that way. That's my anecdotal observation. YMMV.
  - wswope 2y ago
    [Misread, mb - ty @Jarwain]
    - Jarwain 2y ago
      You may have mixed up who the commenter was replying to. They were specifically questioning "usually seen as an asset not a liability" bit
      - bolognafairy 2y ago
        That’s really all there is in the comment. They’re unambiguously conflating “number of dependencies are higher” with some sort of statement about the value system of people that work with a certain language. It’s silly language tribalism.
- Fauntleroy 2y ago
  This is an extremely weird thing to say. I don't know a single node dev who wants more dependencies. Anyone with a modicum of experience in the space knows the cost of bringing in more external code.
- girvo 2y ago
  > In node projects, having more dependencies is usually seen as an asset, not a liability Not in anywhere I've worked for the past ~decade...
  - recursive 2y ago
    Replies seem to be indicating my experience is the outlier. That's reassuring to me.
    - girvo 2y ago
      It was definitely the case prior, though, so you're not completely off base :)
wswope 2y ago
The lack of a batteries-included stdlib makes the JS ecosystem exceptionally vulnerable. PyPI is vulnerable to the same class of problems, but it’s an order of magnitude harder to execute a wide-reaching supply chain attack compared to NPM, since the dependency trees are far shorter on average.
- bdhcuidbebe 2y ago
  With tensorflow and more recently local llm:s, running say ollama pulls in a scary amount of precompiled binaries from god knows where. Just mentioning these because they are trendy. Regarding the general issue, it can happen in any language with package management. Its not reasonable to just yell js sucks because I’ve seen it in bunch of places by now.

In node projects, having more dependencies is usually seen as an asset, not a liability. Other than that, I don't think there's a difference. When I write node projects, I tend to minimize dependencies, but I've seen PR comments saying "you know you could just get a package to do that".

cluckindan 2y ago
”Usually”? Do you have some statistics on that, or do you just feel that way?
- recursive 2y ago
  Just feel that way. That's my anecdotal observation. YMMV.
- wswope 2y ago
  [Misread, mb - ty @Jarwain]
  - Jarwain 2y ago
    You may have mixed up who the commenter was replying to. They were specifically questioning "usually seen as an asset not a liability" bit
    - bolognafairy 2y ago
      That’s really all there is in the comment. They’re unambiguously conflating “number of dependencies are higher” with some sort of statement about the value system of people that work with a certain language. It’s silly language tribalism.
Fauntleroy 2y ago
This is an extremely weird thing to say. I don't know a single node dev who wants more dependencies. Anyone with a modicum of experience in the space knows the cost of bringing in more external code.
girvo 2y ago
> In node projects, having more dependencies is usually seen as an asset, not a liability Not in anywhere I've worked for the past ~decade...
- recursive 2y ago
  Replies seem to be indicating my experience is the outlier. That's reassuring to me.
  - girvo 2y ago
    It was definitely the case prior, though, so you're not completely off base :)

wswope 2y ago

The lack of a batteries-included stdlib makes the JS ecosystem exceptionally vulnerable. PyPI is vulnerable to the same class of problems, but it’s an order of magnitude harder to execute a wide-reaching supply chain attack compared to NPM, since the dependency trees are far shorter on average.

bdhcuidbebe 2y ago
With tensorflow and more recently local llm:s, running say ollama pulls in a scary amount of precompiled binaries from god knows where. Just mentioning these because they are trendy. Regarding the general issue, it can happen in any language with package management. Its not reasonable to just yell js sucks because I’ve seen it in bunch of places by now.