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I used to be in the same mindset as you. Now, I have Global Entry (which includes TSA Pre). I rationalized it in a few ways: * "The Government" already has a

I used to be in the same mindset as you. Now, I have Global Entry (which includes TSA Pre). I rationalized it in a few ways: * "The Government" already has all the information GE wants. Finger prints, photo ID, "interview" (answering the question "Are you a terrorist?"). They got nearly all of this when I got a driver's license. (https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a32035408/dmv-selling-driver-data/ https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a32035408/dmv-selling-...) * With modern corporate surveillance, corps already have a shit ton of "my data" that they will happily sell to anyone, including "The Government". (https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-databroker-files-wie-uns-apps-und-datenhndler-der-massenberwachung-ausliefern#t=661 https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-databroker-files-wie-uns-apps-un...) * If I'm flying anyway, the airlines already collect (and are legally required to collect) all sorts of personal data that I would rather them not have. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_name_record https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_name_record)

technothrasher 2y ago
> "The Government" already has all the information GE wants. Yup. The people I've talked to who failed their GE interviews all failed because they lied and didn't admit to something shady that DHS already knew about them.
quesera 2y ago
The (US) government generally does not have fingerprints for the majority of people who have never been arrested.
- jacobgkau 2y ago
  That's fair since it's technically not the federal government, but when I moved from Missouri to Colorado in 2019, I had to provide fingerprints in order to get my Colorado driver's license. And as a layman, I would generally assume that means anyone working for government in any part of this country could generally access that info one way or another.
  - aorloff 2y ago
    > And as a layman, I would generally assume that means anyone working for government in any part of this country could generally access that info one way or another. I doubt it.
    - jacobgkau 2y ago
      Let me put it this way: I wouldn't choose to leave my fingerprints at a crime scene assuming legal firewalls would prevent me from getting caught that way. Technically, legally, right now, maybe the Colorado DMV's database isn't accessible to other parties. How strongly are you willing to bet that it's going to stay that way for the rest of your life?
      - quesera 2y ago
        I have never heard of a state drivers license requiring fingerprinting. I've lived in 5 states in the last 20 years, but none of them were Colorado. A quick web search suggests that CO requires prints for licensing as an auto or motorsports dealer, but I can't find a requirement for getting a standard DL. I didn't look too hard, and I'm not claiming any authority here, but I remain surprised by the requirement.
        jacobgkau 2y ago
        From the Colorado DMV's website: https://dmv.colorado.gov/documents https://dmv.colorado.gov/documents "The information here covers identification and lawful presence requirements for Coloradans seeking a driver license, ID card or instruction permit... Per C.R.S. 42-2-107 and 42-2-302, applications for credentials must contain a fingerprint." CRS 42-2-107 concerns applications for driver's licenses and learner's permits, and CRS 42-2-302 concerns issuance of driver's licenses and non-driving identification cards. My friends who were already in the state prior to 2017 never needed to get their prints taken to keep renewing their licenses. But since I moved here in 2019, I needed to provide mine, as do any teenagers getting their permits or licenses for the first time here.
- Spooky23 2y ago
  Depends on the type of database used. They have prints for a lot more people than you think.
- caspper69 2y ago
  Funny story for you. Maybe this was just a GenX thing, and isn't really done anymore, but in elementary school we were all fingerprinted. They told our parents it was in case we were ever kidnapped it would help them find us. You might be surprised about how many people's fingerprints the gov't has.

technothrasher 2y ago

> "The Government" already has all the information GE wants. Yup. The people I've talked to who failed their GE interviews all failed because they lied and didn't admit to something shady that DHS already knew about them.

quesera 2y ago

The (US) government generally does not have fingerprints for the majority of people who have never been arrested.

jacobgkau 2y ago
That's fair since it's technically not the federal government, but when I moved from Missouri to Colorado in 2019, I had to provide fingerprints in order to get my Colorado driver's license. And as a layman, I would generally assume that means anyone working for government in any part of this country could generally access that info one way or another.
- aorloff 2y ago
  > And as a layman, I would generally assume that means anyone working for government in any part of this country could generally access that info one way or another. I doubt it.
  - jacobgkau 2y ago
    Let me put it this way: I wouldn't choose to leave my fingerprints at a crime scene assuming legal firewalls would prevent me from getting caught that way. Technically, legally, right now, maybe the Colorado DMV's database isn't accessible to other parties. How strongly are you willing to bet that it's going to stay that way for the rest of your life?
    - quesera 2y ago
      I have never heard of a state drivers license requiring fingerprinting. I've lived in 5 states in the last 20 years, but none of them were Colorado. A quick web search suggests that CO requires prints for licensing as an auto or motorsports dealer, but I can't find a requirement for getting a standard DL. I didn't look too hard, and I'm not claiming any authority here, but I remain surprised by the requirement.
      - jacobgkau 2y ago
        From the Colorado DMV's website: https://dmv.colorado.gov/documents https://dmv.colorado.gov/documents "The information here covers identification and lawful presence requirements for Coloradans seeking a driver license, ID card or instruction permit... Per C.R.S. 42-2-107 and 42-2-302, applications for credentials must contain a fingerprint." CRS 42-2-107 concerns applications for driver's licenses and learner's permits, and CRS 42-2-302 concerns issuance of driver's licenses and non-driving identification cards. My friends who were already in the state prior to 2017 never needed to get their prints taken to keep renewing their licenses. But since I moved here in 2019, I needed to provide mine, as do any teenagers getting their permits or licenses for the first time here.
Spooky23 2y ago
Depends on the type of database used. They have prints for a lot more people than you think.
caspper69 2y ago
Funny story for you. Maybe this was just a GenX thing, and isn't really done anymore, but in elementary school we were all fingerprinted. They told our parents it was in case we were ever kidnapped it would help them find us. You might be surprised about how many people's fingerprints the gov't has.