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> not everyone has a first name - for example I don't. > E-Mail is first name at my domain.

by kgwgk 2y ago

weinzierl 2y ago
Good catch! Fixed it, thanks.
- kgwgk 2y ago
  Or you could have "fixed" the comment. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/first-name https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/first-na... the name that was given to you when you were born and that comes before your family name
  - weinzierl 2y ago
    I have a set of multiple given names, each of them given by a godfather. In our tradition and law they are equal because treating one of them specially is insulting to the godfathers (which you caught me guilty of). If given name or surname comes first is regional. Where I come from (Bavaria) traditionally the surname comes first, so even by that metric I wouldn't have a first name. Source: Die Reihenfolge der Vornamen stellt keine Rangfolge dar. Nach höchstrichterlicher Rechtsprechung (BGH, Beschluss vom 15. April 1959 – IV ZB 286/58) steht es in Deutschland dem Namensträger frei, zwischen seinen standesamtlich eingetragenen Namen zu wählen. [..] Die in der Geburtsurkunde eingetragenen Vornamen dürfen von den Namensträgern im privaten Rechts- und Geschäftsverkehr nach Belieben genutzt werden und sind gleichberechtigt. https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorname_(Deutschland) https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorname_(Deutschland)
    - kgwgk 2y ago
      > I have a set of multiple given names, each of them given by a godfather. In our tradition and law they are equal because treating one of them specially is insulting to the godfathers (which you caught me guilty of). I don't see how changing "first" to "given" lessens the insult to those N - 1 godfathers. And having "multiple first names" is not that rare.
      - weinzierl 2y ago
        All the given names are equal, none of them is first or middle.
        kgwgk 2y ago
        All of them are first names.
        weinzierl 2y ago
        Going by the Cambridge definition you linked above[1], indeed yes. I checked other reputable dictionaries and they are mostly similar. But by these definitions a middle would also be a first name, which is confusing. [1] the name that was given to you when you were born and that comes before your family name
      - kgwgk 2y ago
        > And having "multiple first names" is not that rare. Example: https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F882?lang=en https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F882?la... Can you give your child several first names? There is no rule on the number of first names of the child. However, the registrar may consider that the multiplicity of first names is contrary to the best interests of the child. FYI Any first name entered in the birth certificate can be selected as common first name, whatever his order.
  - mr_toad 2y ago
    > the name that was given to you when you were born Try telling that to Queen Victoria.

> not everyone has a first name - for example I don't. > E-Mail is first name at my domain.

by kgwgk 2y ago

> not everyone has a first name - for example I don't. > E-Mail is first name at my domain.

weinzierl 2y ago

Good catch! Fixed it, thanks.

kgwgk 2y ago
Or you could have "fixed" the comment. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/first-name https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/first-na... the name that was given to you when you were born and that comes before your family name
- weinzierl 2y ago
  I have a set of multiple given names, each of them given by a godfather. In our tradition and law they are equal because treating one of them specially is insulting to the godfathers (which you caught me guilty of). If given name or surname comes first is regional. Where I come from (Bavaria) traditionally the surname comes first, so even by that metric I wouldn't have a first name. Source: Die Reihenfolge der Vornamen stellt keine Rangfolge dar. Nach höchstrichterlicher Rechtsprechung (BGH, Beschluss vom 15. April 1959 – IV ZB 286/58) steht es in Deutschland dem Namensträger frei, zwischen seinen standesamtlich eingetragenen Namen zu wählen. [..] Die in der Geburtsurkunde eingetragenen Vornamen dürfen von den Namensträgern im privaten Rechts- und Geschäftsverkehr nach Belieben genutzt werden und sind gleichberechtigt. https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorname_(Deutschland) https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorname_(Deutschland)
  - kgwgk 2y ago
    > I have a set of multiple given names, each of them given by a godfather. In our tradition and law they are equal because treating one of them specially is insulting to the godfathers (which you caught me guilty of). I don't see how changing "first" to "given" lessens the insult to those N - 1 godfathers. And having "multiple first names" is not that rare.
    - weinzierl 2y ago
      All the given names are equal, none of them is first or middle.
      - kgwgk 2y ago
        All of them are first names.
        weinzierl 2y ago
        Going by the Cambridge definition you linked above[1], indeed yes. I checked other reputable dictionaries and they are mostly similar. But by these definitions a middle would also be a first name, which is confusing. [1] the name that was given to you when you were born and that comes before your family name
    - kgwgk 2y ago
      > And having "multiple first names" is not that rare. Example: https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F882?lang=en https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F882?la... Can you give your child several first names? There is no rule on the number of first names of the child. However, the registrar may consider that the multiplicity of first names is contrary to the best interests of the child. FYI Any first name entered in the birth certificate can be selected as common first name, whatever his order.
- mr_toad 2y ago
  > the name that was given to you when you were born Try telling that to Queen Victoria.