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That link just goes to the whole book. For anyone curious: the relevant bit is on page 249, though some pages before and after provide interesting context. "Th
by gjm11 2y ago
That link just goes to the whole book. For anyone curious: the relevant bit is on page 249, though some pages before and after provide interesting context.
"The same thing is affirmed by [long list] of Albertus Magnus; who, as the most expert, had made an entire man of the same metal[1], and had spent 30 years without any interruption in forming him under several Aspects and Constellations. [...] and being put and fastened together in the form of a Man, had the faculty to reveal to the said Albertus the solutions of all his principal difficulties. To which they add (that nothing be lost of the story of the Statue) that it was battered to pieces by St Thomas, merely because he could not bear its excess of prating. But to give a more rational account of this Androides of Albertus, as also of the miraculous heads, [...]"
[1] i.e., brass ("brazen heads" are mentioned earlier in the paragraph).
(I've modernized the spellings.)
So I think the Androides (I think this is intended as a Greek-looking singular title, not as an English plural; it's a translation of French "Androide") is meant to be a whole person, not just a talking head, although the book talks about it in the context of other things that were just talking heads.
The author declines to believe that Albertus actually made a statue that was able to talk rationally. The specific reasons he gives aren't super-convincing to a modern reader, but I suspect they're mostly rationalizations and his real reason for being unconvinced is just that the story doesn't sound plausible. (Plus, he wants to acquit Albertus of the charge of doing magic in the treating-with-the-powers-of-evil sense.)
He does say that statues able to make vaguely speech-like noises are surely possible "by the help of that part of Natural Magick which depends on the Mathematicks" :-).
- dr_dshiv 2y agoThanks for pulling that out! And apologies for my quick post. Another book you might like is “Mathematical Magick” by John Wilkins, one of the founders of the Royal Society [1]. In those days, quite a bit of scientific inspiration came from previous works on “natural magick.” There are many books like this at the Embassy of the Free Mind in Amsterdam! [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_Magick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_Magick [2] https://embassyofthefreemind.com/en https://embassyofthefreemind.com/en
- jhedwards 2y agoThis reminds me of an ancient Chinese story from the Liezi, where a craftsman presents a robot to King Mu that can sing and dance. After the robot beckons to the kind's concubines, he orders the craftsman to be killed. The craftsman is terrified and deconstructs the robot, demonstrating to the king that it is simply a collection of inanimate items. The king is impressed and says "can it be that the skill of a man can be equal to that of the creator?" It's a great story that I discovered because it's an early instance comparing creativity and invention to divine power. Not sure if it has been translated but the text is here: https://ctext.org/dictionary.pl?if=en&id=37480 https://ctext.org/dictionary.pl?if=en&id=37480
- deadbabe 2y agoIt may be possible to come up with something like an analog version of Markov chains. As you turn a crank words keep sounding out based on probability.
- gjm11 2y agoFor an earlyish (but fictional, rather simplistic, and satirically intended) version of this, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Engine .