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Our car inspections are handled by German TÜV, and they do not inspect superficially. If, ~14% of a single brand of car which is ridden with LEDs (which should

Our car inspections are handled by German TÜV, and they do not inspect superficially. If, ~14% of a single brand of car which is ridden with LEDs (which should live forever when compared to halogens), advanced drive systems and other stuff are failing, and has to be re-inspected because of they can't meet the standards, that's pretty bad to be honest. Failing TÜV means your safety critical systems have problems. This means brakes, suspensions, lighting (front and rear), screen wipers, etc. So they check for pretty basic, but crucial stuff, and they're tested in a pretty detailed way (brake fade, stopping power, etc.). If your car is failing in just two years in these areas, you're not reliable, and your car will not age well, period. My 25 year old car aces the test all the time, and the biggest complaint I got on my report is "Your wipers leave streaks, LOL!".

starbugs 2y ago
> My 25 year old car aces the test all the time You wouldn't do a regular service right before the TÜV appointment, would you? Also, this doesn't sound environmentally friendly to me.
- bayindirh 2y ago
  Nope, I don't. I only do its normal interval services. I don't like the cheat the system. > Also, this doesn't sound environmentally friendly to me. I'm planning to buy a new hybrid. On the other hand, it has a cat, is our family car since the beginning, so it's in a very good shape emissions-wise (it's tested regularly). Newer cars are better, of course, but it's not an oil burning, smoking, smelling smoke-stack. Its exhaust isn't covered in carbon even.
dzhiurgis 2y ago
So it's not reliability assessment but safety check.
- mschild 2y ago
  It's safety, yes. To fail this test there can be any number of causes but for Tesla they specifically mention light, axle, and breaks as failure points. The 14.2% was for cars receiving their first Hauptuntersuchung (main inspection) done every 24 months (so 2-3 years old cars). If a car model has that many problems while competitors in a similar price range and use model don't, that could point to an issue with part quality.
  - dzhiurgis 2y ago
    Without mileage this data is worth ZERO. Other than lights, the problem with control arms and brakes are known. Brake service is recommended and ignored because unlike VW, et all - there's not stealership model to charge you $500 a year for worthless maintenance.
    - bayindirh 2y ago
      No it doesn't. Service intervals are dependent on mileage. You should be detecting the problems and fixing them at regular servicing. Ignoring brake checks is endangering life. Even though you have regenerative braking, brakes are used way more often in automatic and gearbox-free cars due to driving dynamics. Just because there's no so-called stealership, ignoring brakes is not justifiable. So, I can mark Tesla as an irresponsible car company, with a bright and bold marker. Thanks for narrowing my future car choices and pushing Tesla more out of my mind.
      - starbugs 2y ago
        You can mark whatever you want with your bright and bold marker. It doesn't make your argument more sound. If you are worried about the brakes, brake hard occasionally to avoid rust. Alternatively, you can charge the car up to near 100% if you go on a roadtrip. Regen will be limited initially so you will be able to use your brakes without braking hard. If you are still worried about the brakes, go to an independent car mechanic regularly and have them checked. It's as easy as that. Nobody is preventing you from doing service even though it's not deemed necessary by the vendor. Your comment doesn't seem to be about the actual issue but about some form of generalized Tesla brand hatred.

starbugs 2y ago

> My 25 year old car aces the test all the time You wouldn't do a regular service right before the TÜV appointment, would you? Also, this doesn't sound environmentally friendly to me.

bayindirh 2y ago
Nope, I don't. I only do its normal interval services. I don't like the cheat the system. > Also, this doesn't sound environmentally friendly to me. I'm planning to buy a new hybrid. On the other hand, it has a cat, is our family car since the beginning, so it's in a very good shape emissions-wise (it's tested regularly). Newer cars are better, of course, but it's not an oil burning, smoking, smelling smoke-stack. Its exhaust isn't covered in carbon even.

dzhiurgis 2y ago

So it's not reliability assessment but safety check.

mschild 2y ago
It's safety, yes. To fail this test there can be any number of causes but for Tesla they specifically mention light, axle, and breaks as failure points. The 14.2% was for cars receiving their first Hauptuntersuchung (main inspection) done every 24 months (so 2-3 years old cars). If a car model has that many problems while competitors in a similar price range and use model don't, that could point to an issue with part quality.
- dzhiurgis 2y ago
  Without mileage this data is worth ZERO. Other than lights, the problem with control arms and brakes are known. Brake service is recommended and ignored because unlike VW, et all - there's not stealership model to charge you $500 a year for worthless maintenance.
  - bayindirh 2y ago
    No it doesn't. Service intervals are dependent on mileage. You should be detecting the problems and fixing them at regular servicing. Ignoring brake checks is endangering life. Even though you have regenerative braking, brakes are used way more often in automatic and gearbox-free cars due to driving dynamics. Just because there's no so-called stealership, ignoring brakes is not justifiable. So, I can mark Tesla as an irresponsible car company, with a bright and bold marker. Thanks for narrowing my future car choices and pushing Tesla more out of my mind.
    - starbugs 2y ago
      You can mark whatever you want with your bright and bold marker. It doesn't make your argument more sound. If you are worried about the brakes, brake hard occasionally to avoid rust. Alternatively, you can charge the car up to near 100% if you go on a roadtrip. Regen will be limited initially so you will be able to use your brakes without braking hard. If you are still worried about the brakes, go to an independent car mechanic regularly and have them checked. It's as easy as that. Nobody is preventing you from doing service even though it's not deemed necessary by the vendor. Your comment doesn't seem to be about the actual issue but about some form of generalized Tesla brand hatred.