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I see no reason why it wouldn't, they don't seem to be trying to dismantle the voting system. I am not super familiar with the US system but my impression is th

I see no reason why it wouldn't, they don't seem to be trying to dismantle the voting system. I am not super familiar with the US system but my impression is that a most of it is handled at the state level, not the federal level.

nemomarx 2y ago
I'd want to wait until an election is coming up to be sure no changes to those systems are made, really. It's only the first month.
wat10000 2y ago
There’s plentiful talk from the right about allowing state legislatures to ignore the presidential vote in their state and appoint the electors they want instead, about only allowing heads of households to vote, and how it was a mistake to allow women to vote. We already saw multiple attempts to overturn the previous election, with lies about vote totals, fake electors, and finally outright violence. There will certainly be elections. It’s pretty much required for basic legitimacy these days. Even North Korea has elections. Whether they’ll be free and fair, however, is a whole different question.
firstlunchables 2y ago
I don’t understand giving liars the benefit of the doubt. I mean, there are tens of thousands of documented lies and your like “I trust him”. Your mind is broken.
- DanielHB 2y ago
  If you mean Trump I don't "trust him", I am just highlighting that they don't seem to be in the position or want to interfere with the voting process. Now that they are in power interfering with the election process seems to cause them more harm than good, after all if they try it makes their regime seem less legitimate. Of course with Trump you never know, but I don't think he will be capable of doing more than shouting at governors of each state. If any voting changes go through it will probably be stuff that has bipartisan support.
  - IAmGraydon 2y ago
    >If you mean Trump I don't "trust him", I am just highlighting that they don't seem to be in the position or want to interfere with the voting process. I'm really unsure what to say about people who are this willfully ignorant. He literally tried everything he could to subvert the voting process in 2020. Like most of his followers, I'm assuming you buried your head on this one and decided not to read it because it's so damning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot
    - DanielHB 2y ago
      I know, it didn't work and (in my opinion) did more harm than good to his reputation.
- wholinator2 2y ago
  I don't know how long you've been here but one of the best things about this forum is the general focus on facts and not on attacking or namecalling the people who believe things. Your comment is much more convincing and legitimate without "your mind is broken". That's a very 'reddit' thing to say. Let's be adults here
  - Capricorn2481 2y ago
    No, it's just the truth. Trump, Elon and the people they surround themselves with have gone out of their way to paint democracy as a broken system that keeps power out of the hands of "strong" leaders. Whether it's praising dictators for imprisoning their opponents, boosting "Dark Enlightenment" posts, or casting doubt on our election because a drunk Rudy Guliani whispered it to them, these are not people that give a fuck about democracy. That there are still people that think these are jokes or "not what they really mean" speaks to a fundamental cognitive dissonance that can't be repaired. Their intention is right in front of you. It's just a question of who will enable their vision. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot As a side note, your post is no better than the one you replied to. "That's a reddit thing to say" is just as reductive. Maybe being an adult means realizing not everyone has to tip toe around reality.
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prmoustache 2y ago
Hasn't Trump promised his electors they will not have to vote again during his campaign? If that is not a promise to create a dictatorship, I don't know what is. “I love you. You got to get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not going to have to vote.”
- Izkata 2y ago
  He was talking about the economy.
  - pests 2y ago
    How? What does fixing the economy have to do with not needing to vote?
    - Izkata 2y ago
      He was talking to potential voters who are struggling, telling them they only have to bother this one time and he'll fix their problems so they can go back to not paying attention to politics.
koonsolo 2y ago
Last time when he had to give up power, he claimed the elections were stolen, and then his followers stormed the capital. Today, he still claims the elections were stolen, and freed the stormers of the capital. In one of his speeches for this election, he said “in four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.”. Let's wait and see, but a clean democratic transition of power would certainly surprise me.
- Izkata 2y ago
  He was talking about fixing the economy, not election fraud.
  - red-iron-pine 2y ago
    how would "not having to vote" fix the economy?
dfxm12 2y ago
they don't seem to be trying to dismantle the voting system They are, via gerrymandering, voter id laws, limiting voter registration, voter intimidation, constantly questioning results, etc. Here's a high level view: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict_voting_following_the_2020_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict...
drawkward 2y ago
Perhaps the planners are smart and are subverting the election systems quietly while we are all focused on DOGE.

nemomarx 2y ago

I'd want to wait until an election is coming up to be sure no changes to those systems are made, really. It's only the first month.

wat10000 2y ago

There’s plentiful talk from the right about allowing state legislatures to ignore the presidential vote in their state and appoint the electors they want instead, about only allowing heads of households to vote, and how it was a mistake to allow women to vote. We already saw multiple attempts to overturn the previous election, with lies about vote totals, fake electors, and finally outright violence. There will certainly be elections. It’s pretty much required for basic legitimacy these days. Even North Korea has elections. Whether they’ll be free and fair, however, is a whole different question.

firstlunchables 2y ago

I don’t understand giving liars the benefit of the doubt. I mean, there are tens of thousands of documented lies and your like “I trust him”. Your mind is broken.

DanielHB 2y ago
If you mean Trump I don't "trust him", I am just highlighting that they don't seem to be in the position or want to interfere with the voting process. Now that they are in power interfering with the election process seems to cause them more harm than good, after all if they try it makes their regime seem less legitimate. Of course with Trump you never know, but I don't think he will be capable of doing more than shouting at governors of each state. If any voting changes go through it will probably be stuff that has bipartisan support.
- IAmGraydon 2y ago
  >If you mean Trump I don't "trust him", I am just highlighting that they don't seem to be in the position or want to interfere with the voting process. I'm really unsure what to say about people who are this willfully ignorant. He literally tried everything he could to subvert the voting process in 2020. Like most of his followers, I'm assuming you buried your head on this one and decided not to read it because it's so damning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot
  - DanielHB 2y ago
    I know, it didn't work and (in my opinion) did more harm than good to his reputation.
wholinator2 2y ago
I don't know how long you've been here but one of the best things about this forum is the general focus on facts and not on attacking or namecalling the people who believe things. Your comment is much more convincing and legitimate without "your mind is broken". That's a very 'reddit' thing to say. Let's be adults here
- Capricorn2481 2y ago
  No, it's just the truth. Trump, Elon and the people they surround themselves with have gone out of their way to paint democracy as a broken system that keeps power out of the hands of "strong" leaders. Whether it's praising dictators for imprisoning their opponents, boosting "Dark Enlightenment" posts, or casting doubt on our election because a drunk Rudy Guliani whispered it to them, these are not people that give a fuck about democracy. That there are still people that think these are jokes or "not what they really mean" speaks to a fundamental cognitive dissonance that can't be repaired. Their intention is right in front of you. It's just a question of who will enable their vision. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot As a side note, your post is no better than the one you replied to. "That's a reddit thing to say" is just as reductive. Maybe being an adult means realizing not everyone has to tip toe around reality.
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prmoustache 2y ago

Hasn't Trump promised his electors they will not have to vote again during his campaign? If that is not a promise to create a dictatorship, I don't know what is. “I love you. You got to get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not going to have to vote.”

Izkata 2y ago
He was talking about the economy.
- pests 2y ago
  How? What does fixing the economy have to do with not needing to vote?
  - Izkata 2y ago
    He was talking to potential voters who are struggling, telling them they only have to bother this one time and he'll fix their problems so they can go back to not paying attention to politics.

koonsolo 2y ago

Last time when he had to give up power, he claimed the elections were stolen, and then his followers stormed the capital. Today, he still claims the elections were stolen, and freed the stormers of the capital. In one of his speeches for this election, he said “in four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.”. Let's wait and see, but a clean democratic transition of power would certainly surprise me.

Izkata 2y ago
He was talking about fixing the economy, not election fraud.
- red-iron-pine 2y ago
  how would "not having to vote" fix the economy?

dfxm12 2y ago

they don't seem to be trying to dismantle the voting system They are, via gerrymandering, voter id laws, limiting voter registration, voter intimidation, constantly questioning results, etc. Here's a high level view: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict_voting_following_the_2020_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict...

drawkward 2y ago

Perhaps the planners are smart and are subverting the election systems quietly while we are all focused on DOGE.