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No, it is objectively not "horrible" to drive, the Model Y was the world's best selling car two years in a row for a reason. But OP has clearly received a lemo

No, it is objectively not "horrible" to drive, the Model Y was the world's best selling car two years in a row for a reason. But OP has clearly received a lemon, and Tesla service has a well-deserved reputation for being extremely slow when they need to fix any non-trivial issue. And in the OP's case buying the car in a country with no official Tesla presence is making things even worse.

freetanga 2y ago
When your car is half SaaS, the experience of two years ago has little to say on the current experience.
- ddalex 2y ago
  Nothing fixes a badly designed chassis or poor geometry, no matter how much Tesla wants to pretend that they can fix the handling in software
  - rcMgD2BwE72F 2y ago
    What's badly designed in Tesla models? They're among the safest cars according to both IIHS and Euro NCAP.
    - ddalex 2y ago
      The handling - the car understeers, every model I've driven (S, 3 and Y). I've not driven a X or truck (which I suspect have the same problem) or the Roadster (which I suspect doesn't since it's basically a Lotus with electric power train). An slight over steering car is far easier to drive. I thought these are inherent in electric cars (because of the heavy batteries) until I've driven a Polestar which is super nicely balanced - almost the best handling consumer car I've driven since the Baby Benz (yeah I'm that old), so it can be done. Tesla is aware of the problem and they tried to fix it with torque vectoring in some variants. Sure, they will go well on a long stretch of straight highway, which is what americans care about, but it's a different story in curvy european roads.
prmoustache 2y ago
> Model Y was the world's best selling car two years in a row for a reason. I have no idea how it drives, and I am pretty sure the answer is not "horrible", but the sale numbers of a car that is ordered mostly online without test drives doesn't mean anything.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 2y ago
  Would you trust Consumer Reports? Tesla is the #3 after BMW and Rivian, among brands "ranked on the average percentage of owners who said in CR member surveys that they would buy the same vehicle again." https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/most-and-least-liked-car-brands-a1291429338/ https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s... And second most reliable https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/tesla-and-nissan-make-the-most-reliable-electric-vehicles-a1003912076/ https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...
  - prmoustache 2y ago
    Reports can vary depending of the duration of the reliability period. A while ago we saw here on HN a report from Danish mandatory technical inspection that showed that Model 3 were failing inspection much more than other EVs. Reliability is a bit vague, it also depends on your mode of purchase (new, second hand) and how long you plan to keep your vehicle. People who only lease cars and swap them every 4 years need a reliable car out of the factory but don't care if everything start to fall appart after 5 to 6 years. People who keep cars for 10 to 20 years or who buy second hand have different requirements. The later will likely buy cars that would have already been fixed in a recall but need a car whose parts are cheap, easily serviceable by an independent mechanic and whose general reliability is good in the long term.
    - decimalenough 2y ago
      Nobody's complaining about the reliability of 20-year-old Teslas because the first Model S rolled off the assembly line in 2012. (Yes, I know, Roadsters are older, but they're modded Lotus Elises.)
gcanyon 2y ago
> the world's best selling car two years in a row cite?
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freetanga 2y ago

When your car is half SaaS, the experience of two years ago has little to say on the current experience.

ddalex 2y ago
Nothing fixes a badly designed chassis or poor geometry, no matter how much Tesla wants to pretend that they can fix the handling in software
- rcMgD2BwE72F 2y ago
  What's badly designed in Tesla models? They're among the safest cars according to both IIHS and Euro NCAP.
  - ddalex 2y ago
    The handling - the car understeers, every model I've driven (S, 3 and Y). I've not driven a X or truck (which I suspect have the same problem) or the Roadster (which I suspect doesn't since it's basically a Lotus with electric power train). An slight over steering car is far easier to drive. I thought these are inherent in electric cars (because of the heavy batteries) until I've driven a Polestar which is super nicely balanced - almost the best handling consumer car I've driven since the Baby Benz (yeah I'm that old), so it can be done. Tesla is aware of the problem and they tried to fix it with torque vectoring in some variants. Sure, they will go well on a long stretch of straight highway, which is what americans care about, but it's a different story in curvy european roads.

prmoustache 2y ago

> Model Y was the world's best selling car two years in a row for a reason. I have no idea how it drives, and I am pretty sure the answer is not "horrible", but the sale numbers of a car that is ordered mostly online without test drives doesn't mean anything.

rcMgD2BwE72F 2y ago
Would you trust Consumer Reports? Tesla is the #3 after BMW and Rivian, among brands "ranked on the average percentage of owners who said in CR member surveys that they would buy the same vehicle again." https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/most-and-least-liked-car-brands-a1291429338/ https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s... And second most reliable https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/tesla-and-nissan-make-the-most-reliable-electric-vehicles-a1003912076/ https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...
- prmoustache 2y ago
  Reports can vary depending of the duration of the reliability period. A while ago we saw here on HN a report from Danish mandatory technical inspection that showed that Model 3 were failing inspection much more than other EVs. Reliability is a bit vague, it also depends on your mode of purchase (new, second hand) and how long you plan to keep your vehicle. People who only lease cars and swap them every 4 years need a reliable car out of the factory but don't care if everything start to fall appart after 5 to 6 years. People who keep cars for 10 to 20 years or who buy second hand have different requirements. The later will likely buy cars that would have already been fixed in a recall but need a car whose parts are cheap, easily serviceable by an independent mechanic and whose general reliability is good in the long term.
  - decimalenough 2y ago
    Nobody's complaining about the reliability of 20-year-old Teslas because the first Model S rolled off the assembly line in 2012. (Yes, I know, Roadsters are older, but they're modded Lotus Elises.)

gcanyon 2y ago

> the world's best selling car two years in a row cite?

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