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> It would be like me saying, "I don't see why we should trust Saudi Aramco." It's completely fair response to say that if the CEO of Saudi Aramco performative

> It would be like me saying, "I don't see why we should trust Saudi Aramco." It's completely fair response to say that if the CEO of Saudi Aramco performatively pens an article on how to mitigate the effects of global warming, while also profiting from it, and engaging in no tangible actions to fix the problem.

noch 2y ago
> It's completely fair response My question, rephrased, is "so what"? What is my or our trust worth? What does us claiming we no longer trust Saudi Aramco achieve unless we are investors or perhaps other significant stakeholders?
- mrbungie 2y ago
  Ask Musk how Tesla sales in EU are doing once enough people started distrusting him directly as a person. Economic votes are based partly on trust, and with enough swinging in the distrust direction, it would have a direct repercution on OAI financials.
  - noch 2y ago
    > Ask Musk how Tesla sales in EU are doing once enough people started distrusting him directly as a person. Have you looked at $TSLA recently?
    - NewJazz 2y ago
      Sales decreasing, subsidies getting eliminated, PE ratio unreasonable... All set to go to the moon ;) This time it might be fake tho.
    - mrbungie 2y ago
      TSLA is a meme stock. PE ratio vs Sales Growth is ridiculous vs the other Mag 7.
- h0l0cube 2y ago
  > "so what"? I totally understand your disenchantment, but if you feel that the mere opinions of the plebs are inconsequential^ and hence pointless, why participate in a public forum at all? ^Demonstrably not true if you look at the history of popular movements that garnered real and durable change, all which gathered momentum from the disgruntled mumblings of the plebs
  - noch 2y ago
    > but if you feel that the mere opinions of the plebs are inconsequential^ and hence pointless, why participate in a public forum at all? That gets to the heart of the matter, actually. Personally I participate in order to get new information and learn new ideas. But yeah, being human and flawed, I do end up giving opinions and I notice most people just want to talk about opinions. But I digress. My question was specifically about the value of saying "I don't trust OpenAI".
    - NewJazz 2y ago
      Opinions are information?
      - noch 2y ago
        > Opinions are information? Not really. That's why there's a saying, "Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one." Information has to correspond to reality, the only arbiter of truth. When I give you my opinion I can say pretty much anything, usually they correspond to feelings e.g. "I think if you ask her out she'll say yes. I think this because you're my friend and I like you so surely she will." But I think you already know that opinions are not information and perhaps you're asking rhetorically and hopefully not trolling me?
        h0l0cube 2y ago
        They are, at minimum, information about a particular persons values and perspective. Collectively, those individual opinions are what shape elections and foment uprisings.

noch 2y ago

> It's completely fair response My question, rephrased, is "so what"? What is my or our trust worth? What does us claiming we no longer trust Saudi Aramco achieve unless we are investors or perhaps other significant stakeholders?

mrbungie 2y ago
Ask Musk how Tesla sales in EU are doing once enough people started distrusting him directly as a person. Economic votes are based partly on trust, and with enough swinging in the distrust direction, it would have a direct repercution on OAI financials.
- noch 2y ago
  > Ask Musk how Tesla sales in EU are doing once enough people started distrusting him directly as a person. Have you looked at $TSLA recently?
  - NewJazz 2y ago
    Sales decreasing, subsidies getting eliminated, PE ratio unreasonable... All set to go to the moon ;) This time it might be fake tho.
  - mrbungie 2y ago
    TSLA is a meme stock. PE ratio vs Sales Growth is ridiculous vs the other Mag 7.
h0l0cube 2y ago
> "so what"? I totally understand your disenchantment, but if you feel that the mere opinions of the plebs are inconsequential^ and hence pointless, why participate in a public forum at all? ^Demonstrably not true if you look at the history of popular movements that garnered real and durable change, all which gathered momentum from the disgruntled mumblings of the plebs
- noch 2y ago
  > but if you feel that the mere opinions of the plebs are inconsequential^ and hence pointless, why participate in a public forum at all? That gets to the heart of the matter, actually. Personally I participate in order to get new information and learn new ideas. But yeah, being human and flawed, I do end up giving opinions and I notice most people just want to talk about opinions. But I digress. My question was specifically about the value of saying "I don't trust OpenAI".
  - NewJazz 2y ago
    Opinions are information?
    - noch 2y ago
      > Opinions are information? Not really. That's why there's a saying, "Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one." Information has to correspond to reality, the only arbiter of truth. When I give you my opinion I can say pretty much anything, usually they correspond to feelings e.g. "I think if you ask her out she'll say yes. I think this because you're my friend and I like you so surely she will." But I think you already know that opinions are not information and perhaps you're asking rhetorically and hopefully not trolling me?
      - h0l0cube 2y ago
        They are, at minimum, information about a particular persons values and perspective. Collectively, those individual opinions are what shape elections and foment uprisings.