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I believe for the same reasons that Latin helps develop a foundation in language, the people who designed it were looking at the problem from many different lev

I believe for the same reasons that Latin helps develop a foundation in language, the people who designed it were looking at the problem from many different levels all at the same time. The first language I encountered with split behavioral / code components was Mesa at Xerox, and then Modula 2. (later VHDL but that's different?) I think at the other end are lisp/forth list/stack languages which made this particular crate: https://github.com/BrentSeidel/Ada-Lisp-Embedded/tree/main/src_due https://github.com/BrentSeidel/Ada-Lisp-Embedded/tree/main/s... getting an award interesting to me. The combination of the two languages has an expressibility that individually they don't possess.

throwup238 2y ago
I’m not sure whether to agree or disagree with this perspective/analogy. On the one hand, Latin declinations prepare one for a wide variety of languages as diverse as English, French, and Russian, on the other hand the Roman Republic/Empire had such a wide influence - supposedly a third of the global population at its peak - that it’s hard to extricate the path dependency from the true influence of Romance languages. There’s so much cross pollination in programming languages that I’m not sure where to draw the line. Even trying to probably isn’t worth the effort.
- DFHippie 2y ago
  > a wide variety of languages as diverse as English, French, and Russian As a linguist this makes me despair. These are all Indo-European languages, and not very exotic ones at that. It's like "as diverse as white, off-white, ivory, and bone." There are so many languages which would stretch your brain more. I loved Latin back in the day, and Greek, but if you want exotic Indo-European languages, try Welsh or Old Irish. And if you want really exotic languages, leave Indo-European altogether. If you want to stick to Europe, try Basque, Finnish, or Hungarian. If you're willing to stretch your legs, try Seneca or Yindjibarndi. Swahili isn't too difficult, but it's very, very different from Latin. Hell, try Mandarin, though non-alphabetic writing systems kill my interest. Too much work on what I regard as a side point. If you want to make your brain explode (and who doesn't?), look into the Khoisan languages. Go here and listen to the speech sample. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ju%C7%80%CA%BChoan_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ju%C7%80%CA%BChoan_language Amazing.
  - throwup238 2y ago
    > As a linguist this makes me despair. Why in god’s green earth would a random HN comment make you do that? I’m not a linguist and I have very limited experience beyond Indo-European languages, just like I have very limited experience with languages like Brainfuck or Ada - each of which might as well be as foreign to me as Mandarin or Swahili. I just didn’t bother to add that addendum because it would otherwise be a ten thousand word comment. Laymen will be laymen. To despair over that is a path to nothing but torment.
taurknaut 2y ago
Bro come on
taurknaut 2y ago
Oh yes I'm screenshotting this for the textbook

throwup238 2y ago

I’m not sure whether to agree or disagree with this perspective/analogy. On the one hand, Latin declinations prepare one for a wide variety of languages as diverse as English, French, and Russian, on the other hand the Roman Republic/Empire had such a wide influence - supposedly a third of the global population at its peak - that it’s hard to extricate the path dependency from the true influence of Romance languages. There’s so much cross pollination in programming languages that I’m not sure where to draw the line. Even trying to probably isn’t worth the effort.

DFHippie 2y ago
> a wide variety of languages as diverse as English, French, and Russian As a linguist this makes me despair. These are all Indo-European languages, and not very exotic ones at that. It's like "as diverse as white, off-white, ivory, and bone." There are so many languages which would stretch your brain more. I loved Latin back in the day, and Greek, but if you want exotic Indo-European languages, try Welsh or Old Irish. And if you want really exotic languages, leave Indo-European altogether. If you want to stick to Europe, try Basque, Finnish, or Hungarian. If you're willing to stretch your legs, try Seneca or Yindjibarndi. Swahili isn't too difficult, but it's very, very different from Latin. Hell, try Mandarin, though non-alphabetic writing systems kill my interest. Too much work on what I regard as a side point. If you want to make your brain explode (and who doesn't?), look into the Khoisan languages. Go here and listen to the speech sample. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ju%C7%80%CA%BChoan_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ju%C7%80%CA%BChoan_language Amazing.
- throwup238 2y ago
  > As a linguist this makes me despair. Why in god’s green earth would a random HN comment make you do that? I’m not a linguist and I have very limited experience beyond Indo-European languages, just like I have very limited experience with languages like Brainfuck or Ada - each of which might as well be as foreign to me as Mandarin or Swahili. I just didn’t bother to add that addendum because it would otherwise be a ten thousand word comment. Laymen will be laymen. To despair over that is a path to nothing but torment.

taurknaut 2y ago

Bro come on

taurknaut 2y ago

Oh yes I'm screenshotting this for the textbook