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https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-blocked-education-department-doge-elon-musk-2028047 https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-blocked-education-departm...

by mlyle 2y ago

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
Thank you—missed this. I’d still say there is an escalation step missing in trying to stop the DOGE bros from entering the premises, up to and including getting arrested. Look at Seoul. The balls on those lawmakers saved their democracy. I’m not seeing that strength or resolve in the Congress anywhere.
- mlyle 2y ago
  Resistance in democracy needs to be well-timed. Too early, and you don't have a critical mass of force to oppose the ruling regime and appear unreasonable. Too late, and it's too late to do anything. The right moment is only obvious in retrospect.
  - Applejinx 2y ago
    This, plus you must consider the risks of taking bold action that can be framed as insurrectionary. I don't see a lot of haste to immediately and unequivocally declare the elected President, a usurper. Some would say the trouble is, the man got large numbers of legitimate votes under false pretenses, in a system where such an act is expected to lead to buyers' remorse and midterm losses through the political system. Instead, we have whatever this is. Doesn't look like it's complying with the normal process of the political system, which is designed to punish an electoral bait-and-switch. Looks more like Russian elections and populace-management.
    - 9283409232 2y ago
      Hungary's PM Viktor Orban gave speeches to Republicans to teach them how to destroy democracy so it is more like Hungary than Russia
- j_w 2y ago
  The democratic leadership has allegedly advised the members on congress to not get arrested, as they are already in the minority. Given too many arrests, the republican majority will be able to easily pass nearly anything through congress. Now it's my understanding that members of congress can't be truly arrested during session; so the above argument doesn't entirely stick for me.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    I don't know, keeping people in prison definitely sounds like an official act for which POTUS is now immune.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Given too many arrests, the republican majority will be able to easily pass nearly anything through congress Source? The House isn’t close enough to a supermajority, and the Senate goes by actual votes.

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-blocked-education-department-doge-elon-musk-2028047 https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-blocked-education-departm...

by mlyle 2y ago

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-blocked-education-department-doge-elon-musk-2028047 https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-blocked-education-departm...

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

Thank you—missed this. I’d still say there is an escalation step missing in trying to stop the DOGE bros from entering the premises, up to and including getting arrested. Look at Seoul. The balls on those lawmakers saved their democracy. I’m not seeing that strength or resolve in the Congress anywhere.

mlyle 2y ago
Resistance in democracy needs to be well-timed. Too early, and you don't have a critical mass of force to oppose the ruling regime and appear unreasonable. Too late, and it's too late to do anything. The right moment is only obvious in retrospect.
- Applejinx 2y ago
  This, plus you must consider the risks of taking bold action that can be framed as insurrectionary. I don't see a lot of haste to immediately and unequivocally declare the elected President, a usurper. Some would say the trouble is, the man got large numbers of legitimate votes under false pretenses, in a system where such an act is expected to lead to buyers' remorse and midterm losses through the political system. Instead, we have whatever this is. Doesn't look like it's complying with the normal process of the political system, which is designed to punish an electoral bait-and-switch. Looks more like Russian elections and populace-management.
  - 9283409232 2y ago
    Hungary's PM Viktor Orban gave speeches to Republicans to teach them how to destroy democracy so it is more like Hungary than Russia
j_w 2y ago
The democratic leadership has allegedly advised the members on congress to not get arrested, as they are already in the minority. Given too many arrests, the republican majority will be able to easily pass nearly anything through congress. Now it's my understanding that members of congress can't be truly arrested during session; so the above argument doesn't entirely stick for me.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  I don't know, keeping people in prison definitely sounds like an official act for which POTUS is now immune.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Given too many arrests, the republican majority will be able to easily pass nearly anything through congress Source? The House isn’t close enough to a supermajority, and the Senate goes by actual votes.