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If your employer or the government pays for your healthcare, you'll be unhealthy. If you pay, you'll be healthy.

by marbro 2y ago

dns_snek 2y ago
Are you really claiming that the US is healthier than most of Europe?
- krupan 2y ago
  That's not at all what was said
  - dns_snek 2y ago
    No? It's a very simple logical deduction. We know what types of systems these countries have and we know their health outcomes. They're the opposite of what they claimed in no uncertain terms.
    - krupan 2y ago
      Parent said that if your employer pays for your healthcare (which is pretty much the system in the US) or your government pays (which is the system in several other countries) you'll be less healthy than if you pay yourself. That's not what you seem to have understood from the parent comment
      - dns_snek 2y ago
        What percentage of the US population has their health coverage FULLY covered by their employer or the government, such that they don't financially feel the effects of their health choices, i.e. no out of pocket premiums and deductibles? As far as I'm aware that's nearly non-existent. Let's stop mincing words, clearly what they meant was that people who don't have to pay for their healthcare won't take care of their health. Do you really think this description applies to the US where people are afraid to go to the GP and even to the ER for financial reasons?
        krupan 2y ago
        Haha! This little conversation between is getting ridiculous but sure. Let's keep going. Original comment said with my interpretations in brackets: "If your employer [probably referring to the United States System?] or the government [probably refers to the European socialized medicine systems?] pays for your healthcare, you'll be unhealthy. If you pay, you'll be healthy." At first you seemed too think our friend was saying that under socialized medicine people are less healthy than in the US. I pointed out that's not what was said. Now you seem to agree that our friend was saying that you'll be healthier if you pay for healthcare yourself (neither the US or the European model). I agree with that interpretation. You now want to argue that the assertion is false. Note that the original poster has not responded once and is very likely blissfully unaware that this discussion is taking place. I am, but I didn't chime in to argue that point. I just wanted to clarify what I thought the original poster was saying. It is an interesting debate (more interesting than whether the current US system or the Euro system is better), but honestly, since it was this difficult just to come to the understanding of what was really up for debate, I'm kinda tired and not interested in continuing.

If your employer or the government pays for your healthcare, you'll be unhealthy. If you pay, you'll be healthy.

by marbro 2y ago

If your employer or the government pays for your healthcare, you'll be unhealthy. If you pay, you'll be healthy.

dns_snek 2y ago

Are you really claiming that the US is healthier than most of Europe?

krupan 2y ago
That's not at all what was said
- dns_snek 2y ago
  No? It's a very simple logical deduction. We know what types of systems these countries have and we know their health outcomes. They're the opposite of what they claimed in no uncertain terms.
  - krupan 2y ago
    Parent said that if your employer pays for your healthcare (which is pretty much the system in the US) or your government pays (which is the system in several other countries) you'll be less healthy than if you pay yourself. That's not what you seem to have understood from the parent comment
    - dns_snek 2y ago
      What percentage of the US population has their health coverage FULLY covered by their employer or the government, such that they don't financially feel the effects of their health choices, i.e. no out of pocket premiums and deductibles? As far as I'm aware that's nearly non-existent. Let's stop mincing words, clearly what they meant was that people who don't have to pay for their healthcare won't take care of their health. Do you really think this description applies to the US where people are afraid to go to the GP and even to the ER for financial reasons?
      - krupan 2y ago
        Haha! This little conversation between is getting ridiculous but sure. Let's keep going. Original comment said with my interpretations in brackets: "If your employer [probably referring to the United States System?] or the government [probably refers to the European socialized medicine systems?] pays for your healthcare, you'll be unhealthy. If you pay, you'll be healthy." At first you seemed too think our friend was saying that under socialized medicine people are less healthy than in the US. I pointed out that's not what was said. Now you seem to agree that our friend was saying that you'll be healthier if you pay for healthcare yourself (neither the US or the European model). I agree with that interpretation. You now want to argue that the assertion is false. Note that the original poster has not responded once and is very likely blissfully unaware that this discussion is taking place. I am, but I didn't chime in to argue that point. I just wanted to clarify what I thought the original poster was saying. It is an interesting debate (more interesting than whether the current US system or the Euro system is better), but honestly, since it was this difficult just to come to the understanding of what was really up for debate, I'm kinda tired and not interested in continuing.