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>>The user friendliness of Linux combined with the stability of windows. I think you meant: "The user friendliness of Windows combined with the stability of Li

by karlzt 2y ago

>>The user friendliness of Linux combined with the stability of windows. I think you meant: "The user friendliness of Windows combined with the stability of Linux.".

nurumaik 2y ago
My use case for WSL is really what original comment says: I need stability of windows so my graphics drivers won't stop working randomly and user friendliness of linux command line as a developer
- madspindel 2y ago
  Have you tried nushell (https://www.nushell.sh/ https://www.nushell.sh/)? It embeds GNU coreutils written in Rust, so it feels like Linux even on a Windows machine.
- herewulf 2y ago
  My anecdatum: I once had a Windows machine that was frequently giving me the famous BSOD. Sometimes it would run for a few minutes, other times it would happen immediately on boot. Booting the same system in Linux would only produce some kernel errors, but the system kept running. That's the kind of stability I need. P.S.: Turns out the RAM was bad and replacing it fixed everything.
  - okanat 2y ago
    So you were just lucky and Linux didn't happen to allocate system / driver critical memory to your specific RAM's broken side and this sheer luck gets it a praise. I had the opposite. I got a Thinkpad with a broken RAM IC. Windows was booting and working 99% normally with the desktop apps. However running a browser caused it to completely freeze. Linux didn't even boot. It didn't move past the early stage. So it is Linux' fault now?
    - herewulf 2y ago
      I forgot to mention that the Linux kernel was printing warnings about the memory so it somehow knew something was wrong and was able to mitigate the damage. So you were just "unlucky"? ;) I won't claim to be an expert in either kernel but if you take both our cases (anecdatum) it seems that Linux is better at recognizing a problem and either mitigating it or failing hard. The latter sitatiion is much better than Windows just happily trying to use faulty hardware and rolling the dice. In my case, when running under Windows I was getting file corruption too. My story is kind of old and so this was Windows 7, I think. Maybe Windows is better now.
      - quantumspandex 2y ago
        I get the opposite experience nowadays. Still having to debug random issues that are only on Linux.
        unaindz 2y ago
        In my experience Linux can have some driver bugs on specific hardware that windows doesn't, like not waking up after suspend on some Nvidia cards with some drivers, etc. But it handles hardware issues miles better. 90% of hard drives that windows does not detect Linux can detect and copy 99% of the data with some IO errors for the rest. Can handle hardware instability like bad rams or too high of an overclock for ages while windows crashes very easily.
- graemep 2y ago
  Why do you prefer that to using a graphics card know to be stable under Linux? The simplest thing is to buy a machine with Linux preinstalled.
  - wqaatwt 2y ago
    Because non-Nvidia GPUs almost universally suck for anything besides gaming? (and even then if you want stuff like RT).
    - shric 2y ago
      I've been using Linux with Nvidia GPUs since the RIVA TNT up to the RTX 4090, it works just fine.
skavi 2y ago
Given their next sentence is concessive (ends with “though”), I don’t think that was an error.
itsmartapuntocm 2y ago
Pretty sure it was tongue in cheek.
- spwa4 2y ago
  Not really. It really is a linux kernel that uses the ancient windows (pre-95, or pre-NT) technique of "cooperative" multitasking. It works on everything. It's super efficient. However, one process fails (or just slows down) or corrupts memory and it takes your entire system (in this case all other linux processes) down with it.
  - lproven 2y ago
    I am often surprised by how many HN commenters can't see a joke even when it is pointed out to them that IT IS A JOKE.
fransje26 2y ago
> "The user friendliness of Windows combined with the stability of Linux." I think you meant: "The user friendliness of Linux combined with the stability of Linux." You know, like when you're not forced to link your system to a Microsoft account. Or when you cannot reboot because a 30 minute update is pushed down your throat. Or when you cannot start working because an other 30 minute update is pushed down your throat at startup. Or when you have a 2 minute warning before a forced 1h update is pushed down your.. ..you get the picture. And the long, long list goes on.
- deleted 2y ago
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- kroltan 2y ago
  If the time comes to discuss operating systems, I always suggest an exercise of downloading a Windows 11 Home ISO and installing it into a virtual machine, look at how much of it is installing an OS versus upselling into services using every dark pattern in the book. (With such hits as "the No button is hidden under a link-button called Learn More and only appears if you choose an advanced installation") Once you're using it for >month, it's easy to see the BS as just an occasional inconvenience because saying yes is so much easier.
  - Sophira 2y ago
    Also "you literally can't install without a Microsoft account unless you know the magic incantation to open the command prompt in the installer (Shift+F10) and the command MS provided for some reason to allow you to bypass connecting to the Internet ('OOBE\BypassNRO')".
dredmorbius 2y ago
Shades of the similarly sarcastic "Washington is a city of Southern efficiency and Northern charm", attributed to JFK. <https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/john_f_kennedy_143149 https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/john_f_kennedy_143149>

by karlzt 2y ago

>>The user friendliness of Linux combined with the stability of windows. I think you meant: "The user friendliness of Windows combined with the stability of Linux.".

nurumaik 2y ago

My use case for WSL is really what original comment says: I need stability of windows so my graphics drivers won't stop working randomly and user friendliness of linux command line as a developer

madspindel 2y ago
Have you tried nushell (https://www.nushell.sh/ https://www.nushell.sh/)? It embeds GNU coreutils written in Rust, so it feels like Linux even on a Windows machine.
herewulf 2y ago
My anecdatum: I once had a Windows machine that was frequently giving me the famous BSOD. Sometimes it would run for a few minutes, other times it would happen immediately on boot. Booting the same system in Linux would only produce some kernel errors, but the system kept running. That's the kind of stability I need. P.S.: Turns out the RAM was bad and replacing it fixed everything.
- okanat 2y ago
  So you were just lucky and Linux didn't happen to allocate system / driver critical memory to your specific RAM's broken side and this sheer luck gets it a praise. I had the opposite. I got a Thinkpad with a broken RAM IC. Windows was booting and working 99% normally with the desktop apps. However running a browser caused it to completely freeze. Linux didn't even boot. It didn't move past the early stage. So it is Linux' fault now?
  - herewulf 2y ago
    I forgot to mention that the Linux kernel was printing warnings about the memory so it somehow knew something was wrong and was able to mitigate the damage. So you were just "unlucky"? ;) I won't claim to be an expert in either kernel but if you take both our cases (anecdatum) it seems that Linux is better at recognizing a problem and either mitigating it or failing hard. The latter sitatiion is much better than Windows just happily trying to use faulty hardware and rolling the dice. In my case, when running under Windows I was getting file corruption too. My story is kind of old and so this was Windows 7, I think. Maybe Windows is better now.
    - quantumspandex 2y ago
      I get the opposite experience nowadays. Still having to debug random issues that are only on Linux.
      - unaindz 2y ago
        In my experience Linux can have some driver bugs on specific hardware that windows doesn't, like not waking up after suspend on some Nvidia cards with some drivers, etc. But it handles hardware issues miles better. 90% of hard drives that windows does not detect Linux can detect and copy 99% of the data with some IO errors for the rest. Can handle hardware instability like bad rams or too high of an overclock for ages while windows crashes very easily.
graemep 2y ago
Why do you prefer that to using a graphics card know to be stable under Linux? The simplest thing is to buy a machine with Linux preinstalled.
- wqaatwt 2y ago
  Because non-Nvidia GPUs almost universally suck for anything besides gaming? (and even then if you want stuff like RT).
  - shric 2y ago
    I've been using Linux with Nvidia GPUs since the RIVA TNT up to the RTX 4090, it works just fine.

skavi 2y ago

Given their next sentence is concessive (ends with “though”), I don’t think that was an error.

itsmartapuntocm 2y ago

Pretty sure it was tongue in cheek.

spwa4 2y ago
Not really. It really is a linux kernel that uses the ancient windows (pre-95, or pre-NT) technique of "cooperative" multitasking. It works on everything. It's super efficient. However, one process fails (or just slows down) or corrupts memory and it takes your entire system (in this case all other linux processes) down with it.
- lproven 2y ago
  I am often surprised by how many HN commenters can't see a joke even when it is pointed out to them that IT IS A JOKE.

fransje26 2y ago

> "The user friendliness of Windows combined with the stability of Linux." I think you meant: "The user friendliness of Linux combined with the stability of Linux." You know, like when you're not forced to link your system to a Microsoft account. Or when you cannot reboot because a 30 minute update is pushed down your throat. Or when you cannot start working because an other 30 minute update is pushed down your throat at startup. Or when you have a 2 minute warning before a forced 1h update is pushed down your.. ..you get the picture. And the long, long list goes on.

deleted 2y ago
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kroltan 2y ago
If the time comes to discuss operating systems, I always suggest an exercise of downloading a Windows 11 Home ISO and installing it into a virtual machine, look at how much of it is installing an OS versus upselling into services using every dark pattern in the book. (With such hits as "the No button is hidden under a link-button called Learn More and only appears if you choose an advanced installation") Once you're using it for >month, it's easy to see the BS as just an occasional inconvenience because saying yes is so much easier.
- Sophira 2y ago
  Also "you literally can't install without a Microsoft account unless you know the magic incantation to open the command prompt in the installer (Shift+F10) and the command MS provided for some reason to allow you to bypass connecting to the Internet ('OOBE\BypassNRO')".

dredmorbius 2y ago

Shades of the similarly sarcastic "Washington is a city of Southern efficiency and Northern charm", attributed to JFK. <https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/john_f_kennedy_143149 https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/john_f_kennedy_143149>