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… are free to organize help for others.. We have done so in the form of government. The whole promote the general welfare bit. The free rider problem is not an

by sympil 2y ago

… are free to organize help for others.. We have done so in the form of government. The whole promote the general welfare bit. The free rider problem is not an issue with publicly funded healthcare.

krupan 2y ago
Government forcing us all to do something a certain way is not people freely organizing. Sorry to break it to you. Please see my other comment in this thread for more of my thoughts on that.
- sympil 2y ago
  …people freely organizing… It is to the extent possible for 330 million people. There are no instances in world history in which people freely organizing as you put it adequately solved the issues of hunger, education, healthcare, etc. for civilizations with more than 5 million people. People, in the form of their elected officials, can freely decide to impose a publicly funded solution. You’d be free to refuse care in such a system, or to leave. All societies have rules that some people don’t like.
  - krupan 2y ago
    Thank you for that explanation, Comrade. In all seriousness, if those are the only choices then it's not people freely organizing. And this forced "free" organization is NOT the only way to solve these problems, and in fact it isn't really a solution to these problems at all.
    - sympil 2y ago
      Acknowledging what governments do makes me a communist? All societies impose rules on its citizens. Some socieities have imposed a publicly funded healthcare solution. Some of them have done so successfully. Leave the country if you don’t like living somewhere that imposes rules on you.
      - krupan 2y ago
        If you can't tell the difference between which kinds of rules governments impose then I'm sorry I can't help you. I'm not going to leave this country because it still grants citizens the most freedom of any country. I'd like for that to continue to be the case.
- technol0gic 2y ago
  and private industry has a prime directive to attain profit goals at predefined amounts, regardless of who is healthy or sick, so the more expensive of the two will fall by the wayside. what has me pensive is, i think you already know this
  - krupan 2y ago
    "profit goals at predefined amounts" ? What are these pre defined amounts? Who sets the amounts? I'm really not sure you know what you are talking about at all. Private industry has no prime directive. There is no supreme leader telling them what to do. That's kinda the whole point. Some choose to pursue maximum short term profit at the expense of all else, and some choose to give every penny they earn to the poor and needy, with a whole spectrum in between. Most people in our society are good people, unless they are constantly told they are not, constantly told that they should be afraid of everyone else, or are given too much power over others.

by sympil 2y ago

krupan 2y ago

Government forcing us all to do something a certain way is not people freely organizing. Sorry to break it to you. Please see my other comment in this thread for more of my thoughts on that.

sympil 2y ago
…people freely organizing… It is to the extent possible for 330 million people. There are no instances in world history in which people freely organizing as you put it adequately solved the issues of hunger, education, healthcare, etc. for civilizations with more than 5 million people. People, in the form of their elected officials, can freely decide to impose a publicly funded solution. You’d be free to refuse care in such a system, or to leave. All societies have rules that some people don’t like.
- krupan 2y ago
  Thank you for that explanation, Comrade. In all seriousness, if those are the only choices then it's not people freely organizing. And this forced "free" organization is NOT the only way to solve these problems, and in fact it isn't really a solution to these problems at all.
  - sympil 2y ago
    Acknowledging what governments do makes me a communist? All societies impose rules on its citizens. Some socieities have imposed a publicly funded healthcare solution. Some of them have done so successfully. Leave the country if you don’t like living somewhere that imposes rules on you.
    - krupan 2y ago
      If you can't tell the difference between which kinds of rules governments impose then I'm sorry I can't help you. I'm not going to leave this country because it still grants citizens the most freedom of any country. I'd like for that to continue to be the case.
technol0gic 2y ago
and private industry has a prime directive to attain profit goals at predefined amounts, regardless of who is healthy or sick, so the more expensive of the two will fall by the wayside. what has me pensive is, i think you already know this
- krupan 2y ago
  "profit goals at predefined amounts" ? What are these pre defined amounts? Who sets the amounts? I'm really not sure you know what you are talking about at all. Private industry has no prime directive. There is no supreme leader telling them what to do. That's kinda the whole point. Some choose to pursue maximum short term profit at the expense of all else, and some choose to give every penny they earn to the poor and needy, with a whole spectrum in between. Most people in our society are good people, unless they are constantly told they are not, constantly told that they should be afraid of everyone else, or are given too much power over others.