Yes, although usually when people are making these arguments they're imagining optimization across different entities and through time (relative to foreseeable

Yes, although usually when people are making these arguments they're imagining optimization across different entities and through time (relative to foreseeable events / probabilities). It then becomes much easier to write off conflicting higher-level subjective goals as not being actually valued in some imagined universal sense. The fallacy is rejecting the stickiness of human-made structure, even though that structure is all around us.