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Go Away Green

93 points by mrzool 2y ago

brendanfinan 2y ago
Contrast this with the virtual yellow paint used in video games to indicate something is interactable
- woodrowbarlow 2y ago
  > contrast this hmm, only 1.17. not great. https://coolors.co/contrast-checker/93dfb8-ffdf00 https://coolors.co/contrast-checker/93dfb8-ffdf00
ortusdux 2y ago
Maybe I have seen too many court dramas, but a gas station near me painted their bollards this color, and it made me wonder if it might open them up to liability.
- DonHopkins 2y ago
  Or open them up to producing hilarious videos. https://x.com/WorldBollard https://x.com/WorldBollard
- tossandthrow 2y ago
  Nah, I don't think the bollards are considered signaling - it appears like they are often accompanied by light signals.
- linkjuice4all 2y ago
  It's certainly better than cerulean blue.
giancarlostoro 2y ago
I worked for Disney and never knew this. They certainly have a way of tucking away things. I wonder where some of these are in WDW here in Florida. Most of the examples in the article are elsewhere. I assume WDW just has so much land, it can get away with tucking away easier.
- jjtheblunt 2y ago
  in a documentary we watched, made by Disney, it seemed there's extensive infrastructure on a lower level in the Orlando DisneyWorld. Maybe that's part of the reason it's not obvious.
  - giancarlostoro 2y ago
    That's definitely the case in Magic Kingdom, but in other parks its not quite so much, I guess in (edit from Magic to Animal:) Animal Kingdom, you don't truly need to hide it, since it makes the park look more authentic. I assume for Hollywood they just make the buildings look like they're part of a set... Leaving Epcot which can just make the surrounding countries cover any infrastructure... Epcot is probably my favorite of the parks to be honest, there's so much that goes into it overall.
  - lifefeed 2y ago
    You get to walk around the underground backstage yourself if you take Disney's "Keys to the Kingdom" tour. Basically, everything the public sees of Magic Kingdom is on floor 2.
- easton 2y ago
  Definitely used for fences in Magic Kingdom and Epcot, and the article noted, they've begun painting the taller buildings (guardians of the galaxy) blue to match the sky.
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bbor 2y ago
Disney 'hides' unsightly objects in its parks using specially developed paint I mean... yeah. All paint is specially developed to be a specific color. That's kinda the whole point of paint! I love me some applied psychology in design spaces, and I'm glad you posted this, but in general I'm dubious of how much this instance in particular is supported by Disney hysteria.
- CharlesW 2y ago
  > …I'm dubious of how much this instance in particular is supported by Disney hysteria. TFA includes a direct quote (with reference) from Disney Imagineer John Hench calling them "go away" colors, and confirming that their purpose is to camouflage.
  - bbor 2y ago
    I’m not questioning whether Disney has discussed them, I’m questioning whether it’s worthy of a Wikipedia page. All companies that buy paint buy it for specific reasons.
    - TeMPOraL 2y ago
      > All companies that buy paint buy it for specific reasons. And 99% of that is just the same, boring reasons: style (reason for particular color choices) and protection from corrosion (reason for painting stuff in the first place). The remain 1% is the interesting stuff. Attracting attention is the well-known case, and there's bunch of established colors with funny names to choose from (like "safety orange", or "international orange" that's hardly even orange). Camouflage is also known, but usually associated with safety or surveillance. "Go away" colors are definitely more niche (though perhaps something city councils talk about).
4ndrewl 2y ago
I always knock on the door that's on the outside of that Alice in Wonderland animatronic...
piaste 2y ago
From the first picture in the gallery: > Club 33 is the name of a number of private dining clubs located within Disney Parks. The first opened inside Disneyland in 1967, and was modeled after sponsor lounges at the 1964 New York World's Fair. At the time it opened, Club 33 was the only location within Disneyland that offered alcoholic beverages. > The initial cost of membership at Disneyland and Walt Disney World was previously reported to be $35,000, followed by an annual due of $15,000–16,000.[8] In 2012, the reported cost of membership increased to $50,000 initiation fee and $15,000 annually for individuals, more for corporations.[9][10] Interesting, I would never have guessed that Disneyland had a luxury club hidden inside. I wonder what the members are like, and how they may have evolved over the years. "Ordinary" (if extremely wealthy) visitors, who are accustomed to fine dining and don't want to lower their standards even during a family trip? Or is it an entirely separate crowd, that travels to Disneyland specifically to have dinner and smoke Cubans there?
- eddieroger 2y ago
  Club 33 is big in Disney lore. It's where Walt raised money for the Florida Project. Even though it's tucked away, those who know stand outside the door just hoping to peek in when someone comes and goes.
- russdill 2y ago
  It's largely corporate to my understanding. So similar to box seats at a baseball game, if you know somebody there's a decent chance you might get to go one day
- pants2 2y ago
  I know many people in club 33, mostly daughters and wives of rich businessmen who are Disney fanatics and enjoy the bragging rights. I don't think they really care for the fine dining.
- riffic 2y ago
  corporate sponsors.
- pesus 2y ago
  I don't know if things have changed in the past couple decades, but at least some of the members are just regular people there using their company's membership. I went there twice as a child because my dad did well enough at work that year or something along those lines. I was too young to fully appreciate the experience, but they had some tasty mac and cheese and a memorable elevator.
almostnormal 2y ago
Looks like primer used for aircraft, as if they forgot to paint their builings.
brisketbbq 2y ago
Why would disney want to divert attention away from trash cans? Don't you want them to to visible for folks to be able to use? I get the desire to divert attention away from infrastructure stuff, though.
- mrzool 2y ago
  My guess: the trash cans are perfectly visible if you’re looking for them — they just don’t want them to stand out.
micromacrofoot 2y ago
I believe they're following color blocking patterns in nature? I wish there was some more explanation into the why this might work (though I suppose it's all conjecture) The dark green lower to the ground is similar to plants in the foreground that are close to you, above your head the green is more de-saturated as greenery would be in the distance on the horizon, and of course even higher is mimicking the color of where the sky would be. This is why military camouflage is effective as well, though it's slightly different – with the speckled pattern of more and less saturated colors... we get the illusion of varied depth as if you're looking through grass or leaves... which makes it harder to see a single solid object (which humans are good at)
- ryanhecht 2y ago
  John Hench (widely considered the coiner of the "go away" colors as it relates to WDI) brings up the concept of "go away" colors in the color theory chapter of his book "Designing Disney" when discussing how colors establish the identity of a space (this is partially quoted in the Wikipedia article): > One particular challenge in designing the interior of the [American Adventure pavilion at EPCOT Center] was the metal safety railing we had to include by law, which, being out of place in the middle of a Colonial staircase, undermined the identity of the main entrance room. We chose a neutral gray-brown for the railing, a 'go away' color that did not call attention to itself, even though it was entirely unrelated to the Colonial color scheme. In this way ,we got a functional safety railing that satisfies legal requirements without conflicting visually with the Colonial theme https://archive.org/details/designingdisneyi0000henc/page/110/mode/2up?q=%22go+away%22 https://archive.org/details/designingdisneyi0000henc/page/11... Given how he talks about color in the rest of the book, I think Hench and other early Imagineers were coming at it from film/scenic design perspectives rather than scientific "here's how camouflage and blocking patterns work" perspective. I agree though, I'd love to have someone connect this artist-minded explanation with a scientific one!
  - micromacrofoot 2y ago
    Thanks for the link! Yes I think the interesting part is that artists figure this stuff out through massive amounts of observation experience and might not know why they get a positive outcome, it's very feelings based... but the fact that these feelings are often applicable on a broader human level is worthy of further investigation beyond practical application
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nosrepa 2y ago
You'd think that in this day and age and with all the Disney fans out there that this article would have pictures that didn't look like scanned in film from the late 90s.

Go Away Green

93 points by mrzool 2y ago

brendanfinan 2y ago

Contrast this with the virtual yellow paint used in video games to indicate something is interactable

woodrowbarlow 2y ago
> contrast this hmm, only 1.17. not great. https://coolors.co/contrast-checker/93dfb8-ffdf00 https://coolors.co/contrast-checker/93dfb8-ffdf00

ortusdux 2y ago

Maybe I have seen too many court dramas, but a gas station near me painted their bollards this color, and it made me wonder if it might open them up to liability.

DonHopkins 2y ago
Or open them up to producing hilarious videos. https://x.com/WorldBollard https://x.com/WorldBollard
tossandthrow 2y ago
Nah, I don't think the bollards are considered signaling - it appears like they are often accompanied by light signals.
linkjuice4all 2y ago
It's certainly better than cerulean blue.

giancarlostoro 2y ago

I worked for Disney and never knew this. They certainly have a way of tucking away things. I wonder where some of these are in WDW here in Florida. Most of the examples in the article are elsewhere. I assume WDW just has so much land, it can get away with tucking away easier.

jjtheblunt 2y ago
in a documentary we watched, made by Disney, it seemed there's extensive infrastructure on a lower level in the Orlando DisneyWorld. Maybe that's part of the reason it's not obvious.
- giancarlostoro 2y ago
  That's definitely the case in Magic Kingdom, but in other parks its not quite so much, I guess in (edit from Magic to Animal:) Animal Kingdom, you don't truly need to hide it, since it makes the park look more authentic. I assume for Hollywood they just make the buildings look like they're part of a set... Leaving Epcot which can just make the surrounding countries cover any infrastructure... Epcot is probably my favorite of the parks to be honest, there's so much that goes into it overall.
- lifefeed 2y ago
  You get to walk around the underground backstage yourself if you take Disney's "Keys to the Kingdom" tour. Basically, everything the public sees of Magic Kingdom is on floor 2.
easton 2y ago
Definitely used for fences in Magic Kingdom and Epcot, and the article noted, they've begun painting the taller buildings (guardians of the galaxy) blue to match the sky.

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bbor 2y ago

Disney 'hides' unsightly objects in its parks using specially developed paint I mean... yeah. All paint is specially developed to be a specific color. That's kinda the whole point of paint! I love me some applied psychology in design spaces, and I'm glad you posted this, but in general I'm dubious of how much this instance in particular is supported by Disney hysteria.

CharlesW 2y ago
> …I'm dubious of how much this instance in particular is supported by Disney hysteria. TFA includes a direct quote (with reference) from Disney Imagineer John Hench calling them "go away" colors, and confirming that their purpose is to camouflage.
- bbor 2y ago
  I’m not questioning whether Disney has discussed them, I’m questioning whether it’s worthy of a Wikipedia page. All companies that buy paint buy it for specific reasons.
  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    > All companies that buy paint buy it for specific reasons. And 99% of that is just the same, boring reasons: style (reason for particular color choices) and protection from corrosion (reason for painting stuff in the first place). The remain 1% is the interesting stuff. Attracting attention is the well-known case, and there's bunch of established colors with funny names to choose from (like "safety orange", or "international orange" that's hardly even orange). Camouflage is also known, but usually associated with safety or surveillance. "Go away" colors are definitely more niche (though perhaps something city councils talk about).

4ndrewl 2y ago

I always knock on the door that's on the outside of that Alice in Wonderland animatronic...

piaste 2y ago

From the first picture in the gallery: > Club 33 is the name of a number of private dining clubs located within Disney Parks. The first opened inside Disneyland in 1967, and was modeled after sponsor lounges at the 1964 New York World's Fair. At the time it opened, Club 33 was the only location within Disneyland that offered alcoholic beverages. > The initial cost of membership at Disneyland and Walt Disney World was previously reported to be $35,000, followed by an annual due of $15,000–16,000.[8] In 2012, the reported cost of membership increased to $50,000 initiation fee and $15,000 annually for individuals, more for corporations.[9][10] Interesting, I would never have guessed that Disneyland had a luxury club hidden inside. I wonder what the members are like, and how they may have evolved over the years. "Ordinary" (if extremely wealthy) visitors, who are accustomed to fine dining and don't want to lower their standards even during a family trip? Or is it an entirely separate crowd, that travels to Disneyland specifically to have dinner and smoke Cubans there?

eddieroger 2y ago
Club 33 is big in Disney lore. It's where Walt raised money for the Florida Project. Even though it's tucked away, those who know stand outside the door just hoping to peek in when someone comes and goes.
russdill 2y ago
It's largely corporate to my understanding. So similar to box seats at a baseball game, if you know somebody there's a decent chance you might get to go one day
pants2 2y ago
I know many people in club 33, mostly daughters and wives of rich businessmen who are Disney fanatics and enjoy the bragging rights. I don't think they really care for the fine dining.
riffic 2y ago
corporate sponsors.
pesus 2y ago
I don't know if things have changed in the past couple decades, but at least some of the members are just regular people there using their company's membership. I went there twice as a child because my dad did well enough at work that year or something along those lines. I was too young to fully appreciate the experience, but they had some tasty mac and cheese and a memorable elevator.

almostnormal 2y ago

Looks like primer used for aircraft, as if they forgot to paint their builings.

brisketbbq 2y ago

Why would disney want to divert attention away from trash cans? Don't you want them to to visible for folks to be able to use? I get the desire to divert attention away from infrastructure stuff, though.

mrzool 2y ago
My guess: the trash cans are perfectly visible if you’re looking for them — they just don’t want them to stand out.

micromacrofoot 2y ago

I believe they're following color blocking patterns in nature? I wish there was some more explanation into the why this might work (though I suppose it's all conjecture) The dark green lower to the ground is similar to plants in the foreground that are close to you, above your head the green is more de-saturated as greenery would be in the distance on the horizon, and of course even higher is mimicking the color of where the sky would be. This is why military camouflage is effective as well, though it's slightly different – with the speckled pattern of more and less saturated colors... we get the illusion of varied depth as if you're looking through grass or leaves... which makes it harder to see a single solid object (which humans are good at)

ryanhecht 2y ago
John Hench (widely considered the coiner of the "go away" colors as it relates to WDI) brings up the concept of "go away" colors in the color theory chapter of his book "Designing Disney" when discussing how colors establish the identity of a space (this is partially quoted in the Wikipedia article): > One particular challenge in designing the interior of the [American Adventure pavilion at EPCOT Center] was the metal safety railing we had to include by law, which, being out of place in the middle of a Colonial staircase, undermined the identity of the main entrance room. We chose a neutral gray-brown for the railing, a 'go away' color that did not call attention to itself, even though it was entirely unrelated to the Colonial color scheme. In this way ,we got a functional safety railing that satisfies legal requirements without conflicting visually with the Colonial theme https://archive.org/details/designingdisneyi0000henc/page/110/mode/2up?q=%22go+away%22 https://archive.org/details/designingdisneyi0000henc/page/11... Given how he talks about color in the rest of the book, I think Hench and other early Imagineers were coming at it from film/scenic design perspectives rather than scientific "here's how camouflage and blocking patterns work" perspective. I agree though, I'd love to have someone connect this artist-minded explanation with a scientific one!
- micromacrofoot 2y ago
  Thanks for the link! Yes I think the interesting part is that artists figure this stuff out through massive amounts of observation experience and might not know why they get a positive outcome, it's very feelings based... but the fact that these feelings are often applicable on a broader human level is worthy of further investigation beyond practical application

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nosrepa 2y ago

You'd think that in this day and age and with all the Disney fans out there that this article would have pictures that didn't look like scanned in film from the late 90s.