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You make several mistakes in your reasoning. First, these are not private companies for the same reason that there is not a real market in which these people o
by trod1234 2y ago
You make several mistakes in your reasoning.
First, these are not private companies for the same reason that there is not a real market in which these people operate. They receive preferential loans of debt issuance without reserve, from a money printer. They are propped up by the state who controls money printing, and thus are state actors, and left to a logical end would result in a collapse to non-market socialism before annihilation.
They are performing manipulation wholesale in ways that inevitably break cognition, segmenting people into two groups, and this most certainly is a very real problem. The apathetic non-responsive, and induced psychosis and insanity are inherently chaotic.
Given sufficient exposure to psychological stress, only these two groups remain, and rational thought it lost, this is well established.
Government regulation with captive regulators, simply doesn't work, so you are correct only insofar as that there is a symbiosis, but its not stable.
> America is doomed, but they shit their bed and now must lie in it
This is demoralized self-hate. There are things people can do. There are still patriots that embody the same values as the founding fathers. While many of the systems are broken, even if it were to all break, those people would still exist and their actions would carry more weight than the falsehoods promoted today. They could easily rebuild following those principles without the dead weight.
America exists in the hearts and values of its 'true' citizens. There are those who believe they are American citizens, and born here, but they were taught and raised under false ideology from a young vulnerable age, and continue maladaptive behavior moving forward. They were not taught founding principles based in rationalism in any meaningful way, some were taught but most weren't.
There exist structural defects in the actions and circumstances now that are being taken, that intelligent and rational people can take advantage of if they so chose, but it would accelerate the decline of the failure of society rapidly, causing it to fail under its own weight.
When society fails, it falls back to the natural laws, which in the context of the social contract are violence and destruction, not something to look forward to for the unprepared.
When society fails, importantly so does the means to organize production, and with that the dependencies needed for the vast majority of people to feed themselves fail. A fallback to last century farming technology would mean half the global population dies, and this will eventually happen through no action taken by any party because of these structural defects, and a brittle dependency tree.
In a word, America does have hope so long as its people retain their values, which are based most heavily in objective rationalism.
The important part for people today is that they do not become so insane as to engage in MAD doctrine when the efforts which were known to be intractable and fail result in such failures. If someone were to push a button, and destroy everything not because of an existential threat, but because there is no path forward because doomed practices lead to doomed outcomes. That's the threat we all must face, the people willing to hold everyone hostage who are unable themselves to adapt.
The if I can't have it no one can, childish, delusional, and insane mentality, that psychological stress (and torture) bring to people unknowingly.
The future is far from certain. Claiming its doomed is either that of an adversary, or a demoralized individual in great need of help and support. The future is not going to be a nice one for our children, and many parasites will likely not survive, which is why its important to learn what you need to be useful to others in common cause.
As for the state actors engaging in these activities. In positive feedback situations, business can win so much that they lose everything. It has happened before, and it will happen again, until people learn and take appropriate action.
- imiric 2y agoI think you're missing the bigger picture here. > First, these are not private companies This is irrelevant to this discussion. Whether they're private companies or heavily supported by the state, the effect of their operations remains the same. The symbiosis I mention is merely in relation to what it would take to dig the US out of this mess. To the extent that a corporatocracy exists only makes fixing things more difficult, but this is not the main problem. > There are still patriots that embody the same values as the founding fathers. How will patriotism help if both sides of the political spectrum believe they're the "true" patriots and that the other side are traitors who seek to destroy their way of life? > America exists in the hearts and values of its 'true' citizens. Riiiight. Who decides who the "true" citizens are? > America does have hope so long as its people retain their values, which are based most heavily in objective rationalism. We can't even agree on an objective truth, let alone rationalism. Objectivity and rationalism take a back seat in times of war. When the other side wants to destroy you, you fight for survival using any means necessary. In the case of America, this division has always existed. It's only been exacerbated by the platforms built by Big Tech, but it wasn't orchestrated by them. They have no control over the information spread on their platforms, and their only interest is extracting as much value as possible from their users. The only way this has any chance of improving is by first stopping the disinformation campaigns from polluting the minds of citizens, and then working on "healing the divide" through clear and honest dialogue, and whatever psyops necessary to reverse the damage. This would take many years and several generations, just as it did to cause it. > The future is far from certain. Claiming its doomed is either that of an adversary, or a demoralized individual in great need of help and support. My claim is that the US as we know it today is doomed. I certainly can't predict the future, but I don't see how the problems we're seeing today can be resolved, given the US is not even capable of accepting that this might be a source of the problem, let alone willing to take actions to mitigate it. So this can only continue to get worse, especially now with Musk and Trump at the helm. How exactly this will play out is anyone's guess. My bet is on an all out civil war, with the country splitting in two. This is precisely what your enemies want, so it would be naive to think that these aren't the effects of an orchestrated attack. My only hope is that this doesn't result in a global conflict, but it's clear that your enemies would want to take advantage of this situation. But hey, if thinking that values, rationalism and patriotism will get you out of this mess, I hope you're right. Good luck in any case.