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really? I know there's quite a few arm64 distributions ... that's pretty strange. What about WSL2 and what about NetBSD?

betaby 2y ago
"Really" as a surprise or you are confronting the veracity of my statement? No, NetBSD is not working on Qualcomm based laptops. I also know quite a few arm64 distributions ... like LineageOS, which works OK-ish on my phone. This thread however is about laptops in a sense one expects from the laptop, i.e. hardware accelerated video, WiFi 5 and above, bluetooth, woking sleep/resume. I don't understand what exactly is strange here for you.
- kristopolous 2y ago
  They must not care about Linux as much as I think. I thought it's kinda standard these days to release laptops that plausibly work with at least Ubuntu, in some limited way. I must live in a bubble.
  - betaby 2y ago
    I would say Linux support even for modern x86 laptops is not great. Take for example Zenbook S series, both AMD and Intel. While most of the things are kind of working, they are not that stable. I would say Linux support peaked somewhere on 12th generation Intel laptops.
    - kristopolous 2y ago
      For me, ACPI is the one thing that never seems to work quite right. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong
    - brucehoult 2y ago
      I don't have any problems with Ubuntu 24.04 on my i9-13900HX Lenovo Legion Pro 5i. It's never crashed, I never reboot it, sleep works fine. It spends almost all its time sitting with the lid closed, sshing in from my Mac, using 13W-15W depending on whether it's in eco/smart/performance mode, then boosting to 160W or so if I ask it to do something serious. When I do take it mobile, it runs for about 5 hours doing light stuff in eco mode, vs 6 hours when it has Windows on it. The difference isn't really a problem as it disappears if you give it some real work to do. That's not Arm Mac battery life, but it's 2 or 3 hours more than I ever actually need. I've got it set up to keep running closed on AC, sleep if the AC disappears. Works great, and it's going instantly from sleep with a keypress if I open it. Really, no complaints at all.
Muromec 2y ago
It's not about the arm as an instruction set (I'm writing this from the arm machine running linux). It's the drivers, bootloader, all the fdt glue. You don't just need support for arm, but for the specific board on the specific SOC. Want a different board on a soc that already works? Welcome to the world of writing this kind of things: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-orangepi-5.dtsi https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/arch/arm64/boo... and compiling the kernel from some dude's branch instead of going with mainline. I have the risc thing too, that magically works on mainline kernel somehow, but is slow.

betaby 2y ago

"Really" as a surprise or you are confronting the veracity of my statement? No, NetBSD is not working on Qualcomm based laptops. I also know quite a few arm64 distributions ... like LineageOS, which works OK-ish on my phone. This thread however is about laptops in a sense one expects from the laptop, i.e. hardware accelerated video, WiFi 5 and above, bluetooth, woking sleep/resume. I don't understand what exactly is strange here for you.

kristopolous 2y ago
They must not care about Linux as much as I think. I thought it's kinda standard these days to release laptops that plausibly work with at least Ubuntu, in some limited way. I must live in a bubble.
- betaby 2y ago
  I would say Linux support even for modern x86 laptops is not great. Take for example Zenbook S series, both AMD and Intel. While most of the things are kind of working, they are not that stable. I would say Linux support peaked somewhere on 12th generation Intel laptops.
  - kristopolous 2y ago
    For me, ACPI is the one thing that never seems to work quite right. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong
  - brucehoult 2y ago
    I don't have any problems with Ubuntu 24.04 on my i9-13900HX Lenovo Legion Pro 5i. It's never crashed, I never reboot it, sleep works fine. It spends almost all its time sitting with the lid closed, sshing in from my Mac, using 13W-15W depending on whether it's in eco/smart/performance mode, then boosting to 160W or so if I ask it to do something serious. When I do take it mobile, it runs for about 5 hours doing light stuff in eco mode, vs 6 hours when it has Windows on it. The difference isn't really a problem as it disappears if you give it some real work to do. That's not Arm Mac battery life, but it's 2 or 3 hours more than I ever actually need. I've got it set up to keep running closed on AC, sleep if the AC disappears. Works great, and it's going instantly from sleep with a keypress if I open it. Really, no complaints at all.

Muromec 2y ago

It's not about the arm as an instruction set (I'm writing this from the arm machine running linux). It's the drivers, bootloader, all the fdt glue. You don't just need support for arm, but for the specific board on the specific SOC. Want a different board on a soc that already works? Welcome to the world of writing this kind of things: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-orangepi-5.dtsi https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/arch/arm64/boo... and compiling the kernel from some dude's branch instead of going with mainline. I have the risc thing too, that magically works on mainline kernel somehow, but is slow.