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In this case, I'm guessing targeting a solid portable hardware ecosystem at a development board. The chip on here is slow enough it would be a slog for any kind

In this case, I'm guessing targeting a solid portable hardware ecosystem at a development board. The chip on here is slow enough it would be a slog for any kind of day to day use... but if you're testing drivers for something or evaluating RISC-V for some remote use case, a battery powered laptop is a little more convenient than toting around a power supply and dev board + enclosure. I'm guessing the sales numbers will be extremely small—some people who get excited about RISC-V and would consider buying this don't know how slow it is in comparison to even the cheapest Arm SBCs right now.

MobiusHorizons 2y ago
At this point it feels more like a marketing stunt for framework than a legitimate product. Lots of people expect this to be a proper laptop experience in the ballpark of arm or x86, just because of the form factor. I am imagining a bunch of people buying the upgrade kit with the vague idea that it will be in line with some “open” or “libre” goals, but will be severely disappointed at the experience.
- arp242 2y ago
  Marketing for who? The few thousand people who care? And they have a clear disclaimer it's a dev-focused board; if you expect a "proper laptop experience" then that's on you the basic description of the product. "Targeted towards developers, tinkerers, and early adopters, this platform allows exploration and development within the RISC-V ecosystem. [..] This is very much a developer-focused board to help accelerate maturing the software ecosystem around RISC-V, so we recommend waiting for future RISC-V products if you’re looking for a consumer-ready experience."
  - MobiusHorizons 2y ago
    I’m reacting much more to the initial launch ideo from framework [1] and the hype around it than the product page. I’m glad to see they are calling it out so well at this stage. [1]: https://youtu.be/iMwepyyaj8I?si=AFGEK6He-VWlKQQ9 https://youtu.be/iMwepyyaj8I?si=AFGEK6He-VWlKQQ9
- LeFantome 2y ago
  I do not think we need to resort to calling it a marketing stunt. It is for developers and early adopters. This will make a nice device for that. Being able to reuse the rest of the platform is pretty great.
snvzz 2y ago
>don't know how slow it is in comparison to even the cheapest Arm SBCs right now. I own a VisionFive 2 with this SoC. CPU sits between rpi3 and rpi4 performance. GPU is easily 3x that of rpi4. I/O speeds are similar to rpi5. This is not anywhere as slow as you're making it to be. And certainly it isn't slower than the cheapest ARM SBCs. But yes, you can get a much faster rpi5 and it is cheaper. Current RISC-V SBCs and laptops are for enthusiasts and developers, who know full well what they're getting. Next iteration will be faster. The next, faster still.

MobiusHorizons 2y ago

At this point it feels more like a marketing stunt for framework than a legitimate product. Lots of people expect this to be a proper laptop experience in the ballpark of arm or x86, just because of the form factor. I am imagining a bunch of people buying the upgrade kit with the vague idea that it will be in line with some “open” or “libre” goals, but will be severely disappointed at the experience.

arp242 2y ago
Marketing for who? The few thousand people who care? And they have a clear disclaimer it's a dev-focused board; if you expect a "proper laptop experience" then that's on you the basic description of the product. "Targeted towards developers, tinkerers, and early adopters, this platform allows exploration and development within the RISC-V ecosystem. [..] This is very much a developer-focused board to help accelerate maturing the software ecosystem around RISC-V, so we recommend waiting for future RISC-V products if you’re looking for a consumer-ready experience."
- MobiusHorizons 2y ago
  I’m reacting much more to the initial launch ideo from framework [1] and the hype around it than the product page. I’m glad to see they are calling it out so well at this stage. [1]: https://youtu.be/iMwepyyaj8I?si=AFGEK6He-VWlKQQ9 https://youtu.be/iMwepyyaj8I?si=AFGEK6He-VWlKQQ9
LeFantome 2y ago
I do not think we need to resort to calling it a marketing stunt. It is for developers and early adopters. This will make a nice device for that. Being able to reuse the rest of the platform is pretty great.

snvzz 2y ago

>don't know how slow it is in comparison to even the cheapest Arm SBCs right now. I own a VisionFive 2 with this SoC. CPU sits between rpi3 and rpi4 performance. GPU is easily 3x that of rpi4. I/O speeds are similar to rpi5. This is not anywhere as slow as you're making it to be. And certainly it isn't slower than the cheapest ARM SBCs. But yes, you can get a much faster rpi5 and it is cheaper. Current RISC-V SBCs and laptops are for enthusiasts and developers, who know full well what they're getting. Next iteration will be faster. The next, faster still.