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As they should. That is how people maintain generations-long connections to ancestors and group history, whether it be an oral tradition in songs or stories or

As they should. That is how people maintain generations-long connections to ancestors and group history, whether it be an oral tradition in songs or stories or a set of written tales.

xadhominemx 2y ago
Or maybe they rape and beat their woman, suffer from high infant mortality and often die excruciating deaths after moderate injuries like a broken arm or cut.
- cwmoore 2y ago
  Maybe Jesus bringing them penicillin and condoms is worse somehow
- mplewis 2y ago
  [flagged]
- doodlebugging 2y ago
  If you're hoping to fill the open position vacated by bible-thumping Jesus I'm sorry to inform you that the position will apparently remain open for the forseeable future. Perhaps your skills are more useful in Texas or in the southern US where I understand that problems like you describe are trending up.
  - xadhominemx 2y ago
    I’m not a bible thumper but I also don’t promulgate cringe noble savage mythology either
    - doodlebugging 2y ago
      It's unfortunate that you tagged the Sentinelese as rapists and abusers of their spouses in your first comment. That's being pretty judgemental, like a bible-thumper would be, off to save people who aren't necessarily interested in being saved from a situation that may never have been part of their worldview. Sometimes it's better to leave things alone. Western civilization doesn't have an answer to every question and for too many cultures in the past, contact has meant that we effectively killed them while making an effort to save or assimilate them. In my view your reply suggests that you have strong cultural biases that education may help you overcome. Reading is still fun as it always has been. Grab a book and step outside your bubble. I'm gonna need to read up on some of the materials that others have linked to see whether there is historical evidence of this abusive behavior that you think is part of their culture. EDIT: I just read the Atlantic article linked by u/marc_abonce in this thread. I see nothing in that to support your assumption that the men are rapists and spouse abusers. In contrast, I see strong evidence of a group of people who suffered greatly in their interactions with western colonizers.
      - emmelaich 2y ago
        The presence of 'maybe' means it's a possibility, not an assumption.
        doodlebugging 2y ago
        The presence of maybe does indeed denote that there is a possibility that the statement referenced could be true or untrue. >Or maybe they rape and beat their woman, suffer from high infant mortality and often die excruciating deaths after moderate injuries like a broken arm or cut. The comment as written though leaves no doubt about the intent of the commenter which appears to me to be demonizing people from another culture with no evidence offered to support their demonization. I have read material in several of the links supplied in this thread and so far have found no evidence of rape, spousal abuse, child abuse or neglect, etc. The links supplied by others, including a link in one to a web archive of most chapters of a book by a group called "The Andaman Association" have so far in the sections that I have read, made no mention of these things. That post and the link were deleted before I finished composing a reply but the post had some good information about regional language families, potential origins of the people on North Sentinel Island, etc. Anyway, the user who made that comment left no doubt about which side of the maybe they agreed with and that is why I have responded as I have. Their biases are quite apparent. You are correct though that maybe definitely means maybe and clearly suggests in general usage that things could go either way.
        emmelaich 2y ago
        Has there has ever been a society without rape and other violence? Sure, maybe North Sentinelese are an exception. Certainly, some tendency to violence is evident.
        rendx 2y ago
        Errr, yes, it looks like plenty? You may want to read up on tribal cultures. I suggest the 1978 classic "Columbus and Other Cannibals" by historian Jack D. Forbes as a start, it's a short read.
- cpursley 2y ago
  If they did, they wouldn't survive for more than a few generations, no?
  - mkl 2y ago
    No, that probably describes most of our species' existence.
- crossroadsguy 2y ago
  That sounds familiar. They are also antivaxxers in a way. And after the raping they probably also don’t allow their women to go for abortions. They definitely meed an orange haired god! Let’s go for it!
gosub100 2y ago
There's no prerequisite to believe in a fantasy in order to maintain connections to ancestors.
- heyjamesknight 2y ago
  Citation needed. People connect through story. The stories that connect the most people over the greatest timescales have all been myths—or developed into them over generations. Augustus Caesar commissioned the Aeneid for this exact reason: Rome needed a founding story, a connection to the Universal History of the world that it stepped into and inherited. The "Matter of Britain" has captivated England for a thousand years, even though its obvious Arthur and Camelot never existed in any way similar to those stories. The Jewish people have celebrated the Passover for over 3000 years based on their connection to a story. Don't discount the power of "fantasy".

As they should. That is how people maintain generations-long connections to ancestors and group history, whether it be an oral tradition in songs or stories or a set of written tales.

xadhominemx 2y ago

Or maybe they rape and beat their woman, suffer from high infant mortality and often die excruciating deaths after moderate injuries like a broken arm or cut.

cwmoore 2y ago
Maybe Jesus bringing them penicillin and condoms is worse somehow
mplewis 2y ago
[flagged]
doodlebugging 2y ago
If you're hoping to fill the open position vacated by bible-thumping Jesus I'm sorry to inform you that the position will apparently remain open for the forseeable future. Perhaps your skills are more useful in Texas or in the southern US where I understand that problems like you describe are trending up.
- xadhominemx 2y ago
  I’m not a bible thumper but I also don’t promulgate cringe noble savage mythology either
  - doodlebugging 2y ago
    It's unfortunate that you tagged the Sentinelese as rapists and abusers of their spouses in your first comment. That's being pretty judgemental, like a bible-thumper would be, off to save people who aren't necessarily interested in being saved from a situation that may never have been part of their worldview. Sometimes it's better to leave things alone. Western civilization doesn't have an answer to every question and for too many cultures in the past, contact has meant that we effectively killed them while making an effort to save or assimilate them. In my view your reply suggests that you have strong cultural biases that education may help you overcome. Reading is still fun as it always has been. Grab a book and step outside your bubble. I'm gonna need to read up on some of the materials that others have linked to see whether there is historical evidence of this abusive behavior that you think is part of their culture. EDIT: I just read the Atlantic article linked by u/marc_abonce in this thread. I see nothing in that to support your assumption that the men are rapists and spouse abusers. In contrast, I see strong evidence of a group of people who suffered greatly in their interactions with western colonizers.
    - emmelaich 2y ago
      The presence of 'maybe' means it's a possibility, not an assumption.
      - doodlebugging 2y ago
        The presence of maybe does indeed denote that there is a possibility that the statement referenced could be true or untrue. >Or maybe they rape and beat their woman, suffer from high infant mortality and often die excruciating deaths after moderate injuries like a broken arm or cut. The comment as written though leaves no doubt about the intent of the commenter which appears to me to be demonizing people from another culture with no evidence offered to support their demonization. I have read material in several of the links supplied in this thread and so far have found no evidence of rape, spousal abuse, child abuse or neglect, etc. The links supplied by others, including a link in one to a web archive of most chapters of a book by a group called "The Andaman Association" have so far in the sections that I have read, made no mention of these things. That post and the link were deleted before I finished composing a reply but the post had some good information about regional language families, potential origins of the people on North Sentinel Island, etc. Anyway, the user who made that comment left no doubt about which side of the maybe they agreed with and that is why I have responded as I have. Their biases are quite apparent. You are correct though that maybe definitely means maybe and clearly suggests in general usage that things could go either way.
        emmelaich 2y ago
        Has there has ever been a society without rape and other violence? Sure, maybe North Sentinelese are an exception. Certainly, some tendency to violence is evident.
        rendx 2y ago
        Errr, yes, it looks like plenty? You may want to read up on tribal cultures. I suggest the 1978 classic "Columbus and Other Cannibals" by historian Jack D. Forbes as a start, it's a short read.
cpursley 2y ago
If they did, they wouldn't survive for more than a few generations, no?
- mkl 2y ago
  No, that probably describes most of our species' existence.
crossroadsguy 2y ago
That sounds familiar. They are also antivaxxers in a way. And after the raping they probably also don’t allow their women to go for abortions. They definitely meed an orange haired god! Let’s go for it!

gosub100 2y ago

There's no prerequisite to believe in a fantasy in order to maintain connections to ancestors.

heyjamesknight 2y ago
Citation needed. People connect through story. The stories that connect the most people over the greatest timescales have all been myths—or developed into them over generations. Augustus Caesar commissioned the Aeneid for this exact reason: Rome needed a founding story, a connection to the Universal History of the world that it stepped into and inherited. The "Matter of Britain" has captivated England for a thousand years, even though its obvious Arthur and Camelot never existed in any way similar to those stories. The Jewish people have celebrated the Passover for over 3000 years based on their connection to a story. Don't discount the power of "fantasy".