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As opposed to the US?

noduerme 2y ago
Yes. These are not comparable political systems. In the US, the information you share can be accessed by law enforcement with the approval of a judge if there's a crime suspected. But in cases where the government improperly accesses your data, they actually destroy their own case against you, because anything from that poisoned tree of evidence can be thrown out in court. Even when governmental power is abused in the US, it is nothing like the routine surveillance and suppression that chills free thought and speech in a totalitarian dictatorship like China.
- okasaki 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction
- csmpltn 2y ago
  > "In the US..." I'm sorry, but your idea of how the US works is a complete fairytale. You need to get a serious reality check on how the US actually works in real life. The law in the US is applied selectively (depending on the profiles involved, severity of case, political backdrop, etc). There's plenty of corruption, misaligned incentives, and corporate meddling. I can't count the number of cases from the past 30+ years that demonstrate this.
- buyucu 2y ago
  It weird how people pretend the Edward Snowden disclosures never happened.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    It's weird how people think companies read about Edward Snowden and then didn't do shit about it and just let the NSA keep tapping their lines. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/03/20/291959446/google-says-its-beefed-up-encryption-because-of-nsa-revelations https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/03/20/291959446...
    - buyucu 2y ago
      It's illegal for US companies to deny US government data. Have you heard of the Cloud Act?
      - fragmede 2y ago
        Yes. Have you actually read it?
    - noduerme 2y ago
      probably because we have a system of laws wherein a good corporate legal team can generally outmaneuver what passes for our secret police.
  - noduerme 2y ago
    Also weird how people pretend Snowden wasn't just trying to draw equivalence between the US and the dictatorship where he currently resides, on behalf of said dictatorship.

Yes. These are not comparable political systems. In the US, the information you share can be accessed by law enforcement with the approval of a judge if there's a crime suspected. But in cases where the government improperly accesses your data, they actually destroy their own case against you, because anything from that poisoned tree of evidence can be thrown out in court. Even when governmental power is abused in the US, it is nothing like the routine surveillance and suppression that chills free thought and speech in a totalitarian dictatorship like China.

okasaki 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction
csmpltn 2y ago
> "In the US..." I'm sorry, but your idea of how the US works is a complete fairytale. You need to get a serious reality check on how the US actually works in real life. The law in the US is applied selectively (depending on the profiles involved, severity of case, political backdrop, etc). There's plenty of corruption, misaligned incentives, and corporate meddling. I can't count the number of cases from the past 30+ years that demonstrate this.
buyucu 2y ago
It weird how people pretend the Edward Snowden disclosures never happened.
- fragmede 2y ago
  It's weird how people think companies read about Edward Snowden and then didn't do shit about it and just let the NSA keep tapping their lines. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/03/20/291959446/google-says-its-beefed-up-encryption-because-of-nsa-revelations https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/03/20/291959446...
  - buyucu 2y ago
    It's illegal for US companies to deny US government data. Have you heard of the Cloud Act?
    - fragmede 2y ago
      Yes. Have you actually read it?
  - noduerme 2y ago
    probably because we have a system of laws wherein a good corporate legal team can generally outmaneuver what passes for our secret police.
- noduerme 2y ago
  Also weird how people pretend Snowden wasn't just trying to draw equivalence between the US and the dictatorship where he currently resides, on behalf of said dictatorship.