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20 years? Feels like not that long ago when I was able to leisurely rock out on the new Guitar Hero with that.

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doubled112 2y ago
Part of me thinks it is because games haven't really changed in those 20 years. Time wise we are further away from the PS2 than it was from the Atari 2600. The move from 2D to 3D was massive. The PS1 and N64 made experimentation (and bad choices) possible. By the time PS2 came around it was all figured out, and we have what we have.
- maccard 2y ago
  I think this is a bit of a myopic view. There’s a world of difference between the Aron games of 2024 and 2002. We didn’t really nail third person camera controls until Xbox 360/ps3 era, and the multiplayer landscape has changed massively - marvel rivals and hell divers 2 being two great examples of the last 12 months. The indie or AA scene is booming again - that certainly wasn’t true in the ps2 era and early days of steam, something like Balatro being a perfect example again. You’re also forgetting g the vast, vast amounts of absolute shovelware and drivel that came out and was tolerated on those platforms too.
  - 1970-01-01 2y ago
    I think your view is a bit myopic. Take Final Fantasy Online, Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, and all of EA Sports as evidence. Those games were best selling for a reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_online_games https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_online_g...
    - maccard 2y ago
      I’m not saying there weren’t great games, far from it.
  - anthk 2y ago
    The console view it's the miopic one. Mafia, Max Payne, Kane & Lynch... great on PC. Consoles were very subpar.
- scott_w 2y ago
  I think there’s some rose tinted glasses here. And I say this as someone who loves Final Fantasy X, Devil May Cry, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. The PS2 was still figuring out 3D cameras and jank was a real issue. I’d say it took to the PS3 era where the console had enough power to truly render 3D worlds and have a controllable camera that worked well, especially in action games. Now I’d say the PS2 games themselves were way better than the PS3 era, even with that jank ;-)
  - anthk 2y ago
    No. PC's had Max Payne and proper ports. Before the PS3, the PC did that far before.
    - scott_w 2y ago
      PCs aren’t home consoles, though.
armadsen 2y ago
This article is from 2020. The PS2 came out almost 25 years ago now.

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Part of me thinks it is because games haven't really changed in those 20 years. Time wise we are further away from the PS2 than it was from the Atari 2600. The move from 2D to 3D was massive. The PS1 and N64 made experimentation (and bad choices) possible. By the time PS2 came around it was all figured out, and we have what we have.

maccard 2y ago
I think this is a bit of a myopic view. There’s a world of difference between the Aron games of 2024 and 2002. We didn’t really nail third person camera controls until Xbox 360/ps3 era, and the multiplayer landscape has changed massively - marvel rivals and hell divers 2 being two great examples of the last 12 months. The indie or AA scene is booming again - that certainly wasn’t true in the ps2 era and early days of steam, something like Balatro being a perfect example again. You’re also forgetting g the vast, vast amounts of absolute shovelware and drivel that came out and was tolerated on those platforms too.
- 1970-01-01 2y ago
  I think your view is a bit myopic. Take Final Fantasy Online, Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, and all of EA Sports as evidence. Those games were best selling for a reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_online_games https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_online_g...
  - maccard 2y ago
    I’m not saying there weren’t great games, far from it.
- anthk 2y ago
  The console view it's the miopic one. Mafia, Max Payne, Kane & Lynch... great on PC. Consoles were very subpar.
scott_w 2y ago
I think there’s some rose tinted glasses here. And I say this as someone who loves Final Fantasy X, Devil May Cry, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. The PS2 was still figuring out 3D cameras and jank was a real issue. I’d say it took to the PS3 era where the console had enough power to truly render 3D worlds and have a controllable camera that worked well, especially in action games. Now I’d say the PS2 games themselves were way better than the PS3 era, even with that jank ;-)
- anthk 2y ago
  No. PC's had Max Payne and proper ports. Before the PS3, the PC did that far before.
  - scott_w 2y ago
    PCs aren’t home consoles, though.

armadsen 2y ago

This article is from 2020. The PS2 came out almost 25 years ago now.