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Incredible a site supposedly full of smart people cannot piece this together.

by galacticaactual 2y ago

black6 2y ago
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- mitthrowaway2 2y ago
  Singapore is pretty diverse, but comparable to Japan in terms of being clean and tidy and high trust. Maybe there's more to it than that.
  - mc32 2y ago
    True, but one difference, is they allowed the culture and population to mature as they transformed from a fishing village to international port and commerce center. And, while they do bring in foreigners, they tend to be domestic maids or medium to high earning foreigners with a decent education and culture.
    - Muromec 2y ago
      It's worth adding, that Singapore being clean is not a magical culture thing, but a deliberate government policy. Lee Kuan Yew writes in his memories that is took a lot of effort to make Chinese drivers stop spitting out of the cars for example and make the river not smell of shit.
      - mc32 2y ago
        This is true, but given 60 years it now has become part of the culture there. Maybe if you go out to the poorer places with SEA laborers, you can find betelnut chewers --but those are imported manual labor immigrants and not natives --though maybe you see them in the small islands.
      - mitthrowaway2 2y ago
        Sure; Singapore (and Japan) do a lot to actively instill and maintain these conditions, from harsh punishments for drug trafficking, penalties for graffiti, good public education, a social safety net, affordable housing, government jobs programs, and so on. Basically, there's no need to whisper about how you need ethnic homogeneity to have clean streets.
    - immibis 2y ago
      What this thread is about *is* culture, and the USA does not have the culture this way, and apparently Japan and Singapore do. Culture being the unchallenged basic assumptions of how people behave and how society works. It has nothing to do with whether culture changed or not, only how it is now.
      - mc32 2y ago
        There wasn’t much graffiti or vandalism before the 70s. I mean yeah, there was _some_ but not like it exploded from the ‘70s onwards. There were many things at play, deindustrialization began, immigration changed, youth and media depictions changed. Before that There was Kilroy and other banal stuff, some tramp stuff, etc.
  - ekianjo 2y ago
    Singapore has very high fines for littering.
  - lmm 2y ago
    Singapore may be racially diverse but it has an integrated culture at this point. (Which took a lot of deliberate effort to make happen, don't get me wrong).
johnyzee 2y ago
If you're alluding to immigration, this cannot be blamed for vandalism and littering. Other kinds of crime, arguably, but not those, there are plenty of middle class shitheads who will happily do their part.
pb7 2y ago
Look how hard they're tiptoeing around the issue as if you can't just check and see who commits the who most crime per capita in the US and see that there are zero of those people in Japan. Gee, what could be the issue I wonder.
- Biganon 2y ago
  It's ironic that you talk about "tiptoeing around this issue" and then completely lack the spine to actually go full racist and spell out "black people". Also, my country has very few black people and still a lot of vandalism, dirtyness, rudeness, so maybe it's something else that explains the special situation of Japan and not just "black people bad". This is HN, not 4chan, do better.

Incredible a site supposedly full of smart people cannot piece this together.

black6 2y ago

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mitthrowaway2 2y ago
Singapore is pretty diverse, but comparable to Japan in terms of being clean and tidy and high trust. Maybe there's more to it than that.
- mc32 2y ago
  True, but one difference, is they allowed the culture and population to mature as they transformed from a fishing village to international port and commerce center. And, while they do bring in foreigners, they tend to be domestic maids or medium to high earning foreigners with a decent education and culture.
  - Muromec 2y ago
    It's worth adding, that Singapore being clean is not a magical culture thing, but a deliberate government policy. Lee Kuan Yew writes in his memories that is took a lot of effort to make Chinese drivers stop spitting out of the cars for example and make the river not smell of shit.
    - mc32 2y ago
      This is true, but given 60 years it now has become part of the culture there. Maybe if you go out to the poorer places with SEA laborers, you can find betelnut chewers --but those are imported manual labor immigrants and not natives --though maybe you see them in the small islands.
    - mitthrowaway2 2y ago
      Sure; Singapore (and Japan) do a lot to actively instill and maintain these conditions, from harsh punishments for drug trafficking, penalties for graffiti, good public education, a social safety net, affordable housing, government jobs programs, and so on. Basically, there's no need to whisper about how you need ethnic homogeneity to have clean streets.
  - immibis 2y ago
    What this thread is about *is* culture, and the USA does not have the culture this way, and apparently Japan and Singapore do. Culture being the unchallenged basic assumptions of how people behave and how society works. It has nothing to do with whether culture changed or not, only how it is now.
    - mc32 2y ago
      There wasn’t much graffiti or vandalism before the 70s. I mean yeah, there was _some_ but not like it exploded from the ‘70s onwards. There were many things at play, deindustrialization began, immigration changed, youth and media depictions changed. Before that There was Kilroy and other banal stuff, some tramp stuff, etc.
- ekianjo 2y ago
  Singapore has very high fines for littering.
- lmm 2y ago
  Singapore may be racially diverse but it has an integrated culture at this point. (Which took a lot of deliberate effort to make happen, don't get me wrong).

johnyzee 2y ago

If you're alluding to immigration, this cannot be blamed for vandalism and littering. Other kinds of crime, arguably, but not those, there are plenty of middle class shitheads who will happily do their part.

pb7 2y ago

Look how hard they're tiptoeing around the issue as if you can't just check and see who commits the who most crime per capita in the US and see that there are zero of those people in Japan. Gee, what could be the issue I wonder.

Biganon 2y ago
It's ironic that you talk about "tiptoeing around this issue" and then completely lack the spine to actually go full racist and spell out "black people". Also, my country has very few black people and still a lot of vandalism, dirtyness, rudeness, so maybe it's something else that explains the special situation of Japan and not just "black people bad". This is HN, not 4chan, do better.