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Walk, bike, bus, tram, train, ferry, boat?

firesteelrain 2y ago
Right but look at groceries, that's a ton to haul if they don't have a grocery store there. I live somewhere that a car is required so the concept is foreign to me.
- episteme 2y ago
  You can carry a lot if the bags are suitable. Grocery delivery is also becoming very popular.
- lesuorac 2y ago
  I've seen people occasionally walking around NYC with personal(?) shopping carts. They look different than anything in the store so I assume they got them for themselves. ex. https://www.amazon.com/Lifetime-Home-UPGRADED-Waterproof-Groceries/dp/B0CBCYY96N https://www.amazon.com/Lifetime-Home-UPGRADED-Waterproof-Gro...
  - firesteelrain 2y ago
    Makes sense. Have to get past looking homeless pushing them as people who do push those in my areas are homeless. Its just a mindset shift though not insurmountable.
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  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    The cheap $20 versions of those things have awful wheels and are pretty much unusable anywhere that has weather or uneven pavement. I had one and never used it. But then I started using a $500 baby stroller. Of course at first I only did it including a baby, but once the baby got too big for the stroller I kept using the stroller for groceries because it worked well. Eventually I replaced the baby stroller with a "garden wagon". https://www.google.com/search?q=garden+wagon https://www.google.com/search?q=garden+wagon
    - em-bee 2y ago
      in any sufficiently developed place those shopping carts are good enough. my grandmother had one with three wheels on each side connected to a central axis allowing her to pull it up on stairs with much less effort. as a kid i found that fascinating.
      - bryanlarsen 2y ago
        Mine sucked at curbs. It worked, so probably "good enough". It was just annoying and I preferred to just carry my groceries before the baby and their stroller arrived. But if your grandma was handling stairs with hers, curbs likely wouldn't have been an issue.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 2y ago
    Hackenporsche! ( 'Porsche' (jokingly) which you pull behind you, and occassionally into your own heels (hacken/fersen in german) :-) ) Or https://www.amazon.com/s?k=shopping+trolley https://www.amazon.com/s?k=shopping+trolley I've used something like this in the past, when not using my bicycle: https://www.amazon.com/VEVOR-Climbing-Heavy-Duty-Telescoping-Warehouse/dp/B0DNQ7Y76H https://www.amazon.com/VEVOR-Climbing-Heavy-Duty-Telescoping... combined with something like from here for fully 'professional' modularity: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ortlieb+dry+bag https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ortlieb+dry+bag They are nice to have in general, not necessarily for daily use, or shopping. Just for when something large and heavy comes, or has to go. Like fridges, washing machines, ovens, or laaarge screens :-) Can be stowed away easily for being ready just in case.
- stouset 2y ago
  If a grocery store is walking distance, you don’t need to do a massive haul once a week.
  - firesteelrain 2y ago
    Perhaps but who wants to go to the store everyday?
    - bryanlarsen 2y ago
      Who wants to go for a short walk everyday?
    - throw0101d 2y ago
      > Perhaps but who wants to go to the store everyday? Someone who wants to get some fresh air during their lunch break.
    - stouset 2y ago
      My grocery store is across the street. I will walk there in the morning just for a gallon of milk for my coffee when I run out. It's hard to convey how little an inconvenience it is when groceries are a four minute walk away.
- insane_dreamer 2y ago
  Depends on how you shop. I lived in a large metropolis with 2 kids and we didn't have a car (not in the US, of course).
- abdullahkhalids 2y ago
  I walk to the grocery store, which is about a 25 min walk one way, once a week. I get about 90% of my groceries for the week in that trip and they fit in my backpack + one shoulder bag for crushable vegetables. Do it from +40C to -20C through the year. I am in my late 30s, and do not find this difficult at all.
- throw0101d 2y ago
  > Right but look at groceries, that's a ton to haul if they don't have a grocery store there. If you go every 1-2 weeks and do a mass/bulk purchase, perhaps. If the grocery store is between the transit stop and your home, or on your cycling route, you can pick a few things up in an ad hoc manner in smaller batches. * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYHTzqHIngk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYHTzqHIngk * "Can Groceries Be Delivered TOO Quickly?!": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpavEMVQpW8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpavEMVQpW8

Right but look at groceries, that's a ton to haul if they don't have a grocery store there. I live somewhere that a car is required so the concept is foreign to me.

episteme 2y ago
You can carry a lot if the bags are suitable. Grocery delivery is also becoming very popular.
lesuorac 2y ago
I've seen people occasionally walking around NYC with personal(?) shopping carts. They look different than anything in the store so I assume they got them for themselves. ex. https://www.amazon.com/Lifetime-Home-UPGRADED-Waterproof-Groceries/dp/B0CBCYY96N https://www.amazon.com/Lifetime-Home-UPGRADED-Waterproof-Gro...
- firesteelrain 2y ago
  Makes sense. Have to get past looking homeless pushing them as people who do push those in my areas are homeless. Its just a mindset shift though not insurmountable.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  The cheap $20 versions of those things have awful wheels and are pretty much unusable anywhere that has weather or uneven pavement. I had one and never used it. But then I started using a $500 baby stroller. Of course at first I only did it including a baby, but once the baby got too big for the stroller I kept using the stroller for groceries because it worked well. Eventually I replaced the baby stroller with a "garden wagon". https://www.google.com/search?q=garden+wagon https://www.google.com/search?q=garden+wagon
  - em-bee 2y ago
    in any sufficiently developed place those shopping carts are good enough. my grandmother had one with three wheels on each side connected to a central axis allowing her to pull it up on stairs with much less effort. as a kid i found that fascinating.
    - bryanlarsen 2y ago
      Mine sucked at curbs. It worked, so probably "good enough". It was just annoying and I preferred to just carry my groceries before the baby and their stroller arrived. But if your grandma was handling stairs with hers, curbs likely wouldn't have been an issue.
- LargoLasskhyfv 2y ago
  Hackenporsche! ( 'Porsche' (jokingly) which you pull behind you, and occassionally into your own heels (hacken/fersen in german) :-) ) Or https://www.amazon.com/s?k=shopping+trolley https://www.amazon.com/s?k=shopping+trolley I've used something like this in the past, when not using my bicycle: https://www.amazon.com/VEVOR-Climbing-Heavy-Duty-Telescoping-Warehouse/dp/B0DNQ7Y76H https://www.amazon.com/VEVOR-Climbing-Heavy-Duty-Telescoping... combined with something like from here for fully 'professional' modularity: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ortlieb+dry+bag https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ortlieb+dry+bag They are nice to have in general, not necessarily for daily use, or shopping. Just for when something large and heavy comes, or has to go. Like fridges, washing machines, ovens, or laaarge screens :-) Can be stowed away easily for being ready just in case.
stouset 2y ago
If a grocery store is walking distance, you don’t need to do a massive haul once a week.
- firesteelrain 2y ago
  Perhaps but who wants to go to the store everyday?
  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    Who wants to go for a short walk everyday?
  - throw0101d 2y ago
    > Perhaps but who wants to go to the store everyday? Someone who wants to get some fresh air during their lunch break.
  - stouset 2y ago
    My grocery store is across the street. I will walk there in the morning just for a gallon of milk for my coffee when I run out. It's hard to convey how little an inconvenience it is when groceries are a four minute walk away.
insane_dreamer 2y ago
Depends on how you shop. I lived in a large metropolis with 2 kids and we didn't have a car (not in the US, of course).
abdullahkhalids 2y ago
I walk to the grocery store, which is about a 25 min walk one way, once a week. I get about 90% of my groceries for the week in that trip and they fit in my backpack + one shoulder bag for crushable vegetables. Do it from +40C to -20C through the year. I am in my late 30s, and do not find this difficult at all.
throw0101d 2y ago
> Right but look at groceries, that's a ton to haul if they don't have a grocery store there. If you go every 1-2 weeks and do a mass/bulk purchase, perhaps. If the grocery store is between the transit stop and your home, or on your cycling route, you can pick a few things up in an ad hoc manner in smaller batches. * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYHTzqHIngk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYHTzqHIngk * "Can Groceries Be Delivered TOO Quickly?!": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpavEMVQpW8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpavEMVQpW8