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From TFA: X had not responded to a court request for information, the court added, ordering the company to bear the 6,000 euro ($6,200) cost of proceedings
by juancn 2y ago
From TFA:
X had not responded to a court request for information, the court added, ordering the company to bear the 6,000 euro ($6,200) cost of proceedings.
This looks like a Pyrrhic victory to me.
- ffsm8 2y agoI think you're interpreting that that's the only outcome? In Germany it's much harder to get money via lawsuit (vs the US), so that's kinda normal. If Twitter doesn't comply, the Staatsanwaltschaft will open a new lawsuit which will have a much bigger fine. but yeah - 6k lawyers fee sounds like a joke, I guess it was a slam dunk case with very little time on the clock for the lawyers.
- juancn 2y agoThey just need to delay until after the elections and then pay the fine.
- croemer 2y agoNo, not Staatsanwaltschaft (public prosecutor). This is a private suit. Plaintiff can get some sort of injunction next, I presume.
- microtonal 2y agoCouldn't the violation of the DSA also lead to prosecution at the EU level?
- croemer 2y agoYep, it does! See https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_3761 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_...
- ffsm8 2y agoNot directly, yeh. I just skipped to the logical conclusion if they keep ignoring the ruling indefinitely. But definitely not something that's going to happen within the next weeks, sorry if I made it sound like that.
- csomar 2y agoThat's the cost of the lawyers. If they did cost only 6.000 euros, that's actually a victory for the little man.
- postepowanieadm 2y agoNot really. 6k euros are only for taking court's time and flat-rate lawyers salary. (Imagine, in Europe average person may sue tech giants!) If x will not comply it will be forced, maybe even by some sort of receivership. The big thing is that x may be sued in German court.
- dylan604 2y ago> The big thing is that x may be sued in German court. Let's say German court rules that X cannot operate in Germany. X decides to shut down any brick&mortar locations in Germany including any data centers located in Germany, but they do not stop Germans from accessing a public web service located outside Germany. What's the point? Will they then go after Germans continuing to use X? In other words, a German court ruling against a non-German company can only go so far. However, IANAL, so willing to learn how a German court ruling would be anything other than a nuisance to a non-German company
- mtnGoat 2y agoI could be erring but in some cases a German court order is enforceable across the entire EU.
- ben_w 2y agoWhy the hypothetical given that X failed to follow court orders in Brazil just a few months ago, and then shut down their local offices? X's website was blocked, and then the courts looked at how Musk operates his business interests and decided that Starlink was a valid recipient of the penalty fines, and Musk gave in.
- burnerthrow008 2y agoHopefully the war in Ukraine will be finished by the time they decide to impose a fine. Otherwise it could be awkward
- ben_w 2y ago