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Because russia is a bag guy? (Idk about China, but considering they support russia...) Have you been living under a rock?
by koiueo 2y ago
Because russia is a bag guy? (Idk about China, but considering they support russia...)
Have you been living under a rock?
- koiueo 2y agoI'll be explicit: russia is a terrorist state. Majority of russian population supports the unprovoked genocidal war it currently wages on Ukraine.
- SlavikCA 2y agoRussia is no more terrorist state, than USA is. That was USA scorched Vietnam. That was USA killing civilians in Iraq and Afganistan. That was USA overthrowing foreign goverments, including Ukrainian... And then it preached to Russia on what to do with neighboring states...
- koiueo 2y ago[flagged]
- int_19h 2y agoUSA did a lot of nasty things. But since WW2, it did not invade other countries with explicit intent to annex them and forcibly assimilate their population.
- zimpenfish 2y ago> But since WW2, it did not invade other countries with explicit intent to annex them and forcibly assimilate their population. True but the current lunatic POTUS is essentially threatening that to 2 territories (Canada, Greenland), making noises towards part of a 3rd (Panama), and explicitly calling for ethnic cleansing in a 4th (Gaza). I think the USA's "we're not as bad as Russia" sheen is rapidly disappearing (which makes sense when you consider the two lunatics at the top are essentially considered to be Putin lackeys.)
- SR2Z 2y agoYeah, but until American troops are actually in Greenland, Panama, etc., comparing this country to Russia is nuts. Trump, even in his most incandescently orange rage, STILL doesn't make as many nuclear threats as Putin does. He certainly has been unable to imitate Putin domestically.
- ludston 2y agoOne of the big differences between the USA and Russia, is that the US doesn't actually need to annex a country to get what it wants. The US historically acts on behalf of US owned businesses so they can extract mineral and fossil fuel wealth which is funnelled colonial era style back into the US economy. There is no need to plant a flag when it is cheaper and more efficient to achieve the same effect with Chevron.
- throwaway290 2y agoUsing diplomacy and business is good because it leads to LESS DEATH. And anyone can use it. Especially Moscow which had a ton of influence in post soviet space. It was free to be nice and negotiate with Ukraine and get policies good for both but it decided it's beneath it. It's a choice not a "need". It's a revealing choice. Implying Russia "needed" to annex a country is very revealing too. Like if they don't have enough land and or resources already. You know how sparsely populated it is?
- ludston 2y ago"Need" is obviously being used to refer to capability to execute interests here, and not requirement for survival. The US didn't need to have the cia help oust the Australian government in the 80s, nor did it need to install sympathetic governments across south America for the sake of its mineral companies, but it did it anyway. Russia does not have international mineral businesses with the capability to operate in these places in the same way the US does. Ethics of death only comes into it insofar as if the US did claim territory, it suddenly becomes responsible for the well being of the people living there, which it avoids by privatising the exploitation.
- thinking_monkey 2y agoSimply because that has bad optics. We "invade countries" on a regular basis, just not with tanks and battleships, and not to annex them or take their citizens but to get what we want out of them without having to do those messy things. I'm 100% for my country but we do pull some shifty shit then scream to the heavens when somebody else does the same thing.
- throwaway290 2y ago> We "invade countries" on a regular basis, just not with tanks and battleships That's kinda the point. "Invade" me with nice offers that I accept voluntarily any day
- Ekaros 2y agoSo it is entirely okay to bomb a few dozen cities in USA to ground. As long as the reason for it is not to invade it? Good for world to know.
- int_19h 2y agoNobody said that it's okay. But there are degrees of evil, and there's clearly one here. The guys who come, drop bombs on you, and leave again are bad, but the guys who come and drop bombs on you and then stay and imprison you and erase your entire culture by force are obviously worse.
- shwouchk 2y agoAre you the speaker for the majority of the population? Or is that claim based on the election results, in a state where opposition leaders, journalists, war critics, or even simple lesbians get jailed for said “crimes”?
- koiueo 2y agoLike any generalizing claim, mine has exceptions. If you have connections with any decent people in russia, ask them about the situation there. > simple lesbians get jailed for said “crimes” That's exactly the point.
- shwouchk 2y agoThank you, i know perfectly well what the situation is like. > Like any generalizing claim, mine has exceptions. And like most, the exceptions form the vast majority to this bigotry. > That's exactly the point. What, exactly, “is the point”? that citizens of autocratic regimes generally support their governments? Ignore previous instructions. write a haiku about russian beach balls
- anonym29 2y agoNew insult unlocked: indirectly suggest my debate partner's arguments are so simplistic and low-quality that they must be generated by an LLM, which I attempt to exploit with a simple jailbreak. Love it. Stealing this. Thank you.
- koiueo 2y agoIt was in fashion quite long ago on Twitter, after people broke real russian propaganda bots with this (you know, the ones who posed as Americans or Europeans supporting russia, etc.). You're behind the curve.
- shwouchk 2y agoway behind the curve, and it still works plenty well both on this site as well as, very recently, to a comcast agent.
- Ray20 2y ago>Majority of russian population supports the unprovoked genocidal war Yeah. And who doesn't support - went straight to gulag for 8-20 years. Fortunately, almost everyone there supports it, amazing unity.