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I think the concern goes to the point of copyright to begin with, which is to incentive people to create things. Will the inclusion of copyrighted works in llm
by sanderjd 2y ago
I think the concern goes to the point of copyright to begin with, which is to incentive people to create things. Will the inclusion of copyrighted works in llm training (further) erode that incentive? Maybe, and I think that's a shame if so. But I also don't really think it's the primary threat to the incentive structure in publishing.
- qup 2y ago> the point of copyright to begin with, which is to incentive people to create things Is it? (I don't agree)
- sanderjd 2y agoYes, it is. It's not actually an opinion thing. It's a "what did the people who came up with the idea of copyright think it was for?" thing. I haven't read the primary source material, so you could teach me something here, but my understanding is that the idea was to incentive creators.
- satvikpendem 2y agoPeople have created for millennia before the modern institution of copyright, so I'm not sure how that's a cogent argument.
- sanderjd 2y agoYeah it's an interesting point, but it was also hard to physically copy things for all of those millennia.
- roguecoder 2y agoThat is not actually the goal of it. Copyright was invented by publishers (the printing guild) to ensure that the capitalists who own the printing presses could profit from artificial monopolies. It decreases the works produced, on purpose, in order to subsidize publishing. If society decides we no longer want to subsidize publishers with artificial monopolies, we should start with legalizing human creativity. Instead we're letting computers break the law with mediocre output while continuing to keep humans from doing the same thing. LLMs are serving as intellectual property laundering machines, funneling all the value of human creativity to a couple of capitalists. This infringement of intellectual property is just the more pure manifestation of copyright, keeping any of us from benefitting from our labor.
- sanderjd 2y agoInteresting! I'd love a citation on this...
- greenie_beans 2y agoi wrote a book and copyright was not once on my mind. having created something is the incentive to create for most artists
- sanderjd 2y agoI don't think we can infer the motives of most artists from your personal motives.
- greenie_beans 2y agofine, because that means your claim that artists create for the copyright incentive is also false