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That's really not the point. Not everyone is paying attention, ANY messaging at all that dissuades the public from going EV instead of ICE is actively harmful.

by ta8645 2y ago

That's really not the point. Not everyone is paying attention, ANY messaging at all that dissuades the public from going EV instead of ICE is actively harmful. Anyone advocating against Tesla is letting their emotions hurt the fight against global warming. And the only explanation I can come up with, is that they don't actually believe in global warming. Because if they did, they would swallow their anger, and favor every measure that advances the fight against global warming.

scarface_74 2y ago
I mean if you believe that a well run government is more important than global warming you make a choice.
- shmoe 2y ago
  ... you call what we're seeing "well run" ? Like, really?
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    I’m saying why would you support Musk if you prioritize a well run government?
    - shmoe 2y ago
      Got it, we are on the same page.
room4 2y ago
> the only explanation I can come up with Maybe you should think about it a while longer. Or find a friend who's better at coming up with ideas to help. There are about a zillion other explanations. Maybe they think that "ANY messaging that encourages EVs dissuades the public from going public transport" and that's harmful. Maybe they see other EV makers as preferable to Tesla. Maybe they care deeply about global warming but just as you said, are letting their anger get in the way of that goal. Maybe they see the immediate harms of Musk's policies as a more urgent problem than climate change. There's a tremendous leap between "Not supporting Tesla because of Musk" and climate denialism.
- ta8645 2y ago
  > There's a tremendous leap between "Not supporting Tesla because of Musk" and climate denialism. Not really. Because it doesn't matter if you choose to support an alternative EV maker. If you actively campaign against Tesla you are hurting EV sales. There are Tesla's built today that should be purchased instead of ICE vehicle. Anything you do that stops someone else (even if you're not going to buy them yourself) is actively hurting the fight against global warming. The only reason you would hurt the fight against global warming, is that you don't think it's as important as your reason for hating Musk. And that's a form of denialism. You're denying (if only to yourself) that climate change is going to cause death and destruction.
  - JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y ago
    Godwin answer: Hitler was a vegan who treated animals well. If you’re against Hitler, you’re an animal abuser.
  - Volundr 2y ago
    Banning cars entirely would help global warming more than encouraging people to use EVs. There is nothing internally inconsistent about weighing the pros and cons and deciding what measures are and aren't worth the benefit considering the drawbacks.
burkaman 2y ago
Musk is currently fighting to further global warming. Sitting Congress members are, as we speak, being denied access to EPA headquarters as he dismantles the organization. I live in Washington DC, every government employee who works on anything vaguely environmental is preparing to be fired (or has been already). References to climate change have been scrubbed from nearly every government website. His deputies are currently inside NOAA, and the soon-to-be OMB director was a primary author of Project 2025 which calls for NOAA to be dismantled. He is tacitly supporting America's withdrawal from the Paris Agreement, which is about to cause a domino effect of other countries quitting ("why should we commit to anything if the richest country in the world isn't going to"). It is not counterproductive to not want to financially support this person. He has already declared he's going to end EV subsidies, a much more damaging move than a theoretical handful of people deciding not to buy an EV, and he has repeatedly shown that the only thing he cares about is money. The majority party in Congress is not going to stop him, the president is not going to stop him, the only thing that will stop him is the prospect of losing money.
zzgo 2y ago
> Anyone advocating against Tesla is letting their emotions hurt the fight against global warming The capitalist class is driving climate change. If hurting one of the capitalist's brands by criticizing its CEO is the difference between success and failure in the fight against global warming, then the fight is already lost. BTW, we're not going to consume our way out of global warming. We should be getting away from a two cars in every driveway culture if we're going to get serious about addressing the climate emergency.
zfg 2y ago
> ANY messaging at all that dissuades the public from going EV It isn't about messaging. It's what the current administration (which Musk is a part of) is doing. This article is about the current administration stopping funding for EV chargers. > Not everyone is paying attention Yes. You should start paying attention. If you're serious about the fight against global warming, if you truly believe it's an existential threat, then you can no longer buy Tesla.

by ta8645 2y ago

scarface_74 2y ago

I mean if you believe that a well run government is more important than global warming you make a choice.

shmoe 2y ago
... you call what we're seeing "well run" ? Like, really?
- scarface_74 2y ago
  I’m saying why would you support Musk if you prioritize a well run government?
  - shmoe 2y ago
    Got it, we are on the same page.

room4 2y ago

> the only explanation I can come up with Maybe you should think about it a while longer. Or find a friend who's better at coming up with ideas to help. There are about a zillion other explanations. Maybe they think that "ANY messaging that encourages EVs dissuades the public from going public transport" and that's harmful. Maybe they see other EV makers as preferable to Tesla. Maybe they care deeply about global warming but just as you said, are letting their anger get in the way of that goal. Maybe they see the immediate harms of Musk's policies as a more urgent problem than climate change. There's a tremendous leap between "Not supporting Tesla because of Musk" and climate denialism.

ta8645 2y ago
> There's a tremendous leap between "Not supporting Tesla because of Musk" and climate denialism. Not really. Because it doesn't matter if you choose to support an alternative EV maker. If you actively campaign against Tesla you are hurting EV sales. There are Tesla's built today that should be purchased instead of ICE vehicle. Anything you do that stops someone else (even if you're not going to buy them yourself) is actively hurting the fight against global warming. The only reason you would hurt the fight against global warming, is that you don't think it's as important as your reason for hating Musk. And that's a form of denialism. You're denying (if only to yourself) that climate change is going to cause death and destruction.
- JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y ago
  Godwin answer: Hitler was a vegan who treated animals well. If you’re against Hitler, you’re an animal abuser.
- Volundr 2y ago
  Banning cars entirely would help global warming more than encouraging people to use EVs. There is nothing internally inconsistent about weighing the pros and cons and deciding what measures are and aren't worth the benefit considering the drawbacks.

burkaman 2y ago

Musk is currently fighting to further global warming. Sitting Congress members are, as we speak, being denied access to EPA headquarters as he dismantles the organization. I live in Washington DC, every government employee who works on anything vaguely environmental is preparing to be fired (or has been already). References to climate change have been scrubbed from nearly every government website. His deputies are currently inside NOAA, and the soon-to-be OMB director was a primary author of Project 2025 which calls for NOAA to be dismantled. He is tacitly supporting America's withdrawal from the Paris Agreement, which is about to cause a domino effect of other countries quitting ("why should we commit to anything if the richest country in the world isn't going to"). It is not counterproductive to not want to financially support this person. He has already declared he's going to end EV subsidies, a much more damaging move than a theoretical handful of people deciding not to buy an EV, and he has repeatedly shown that the only thing he cares about is money. The majority party in Congress is not going to stop him, the president is not going to stop him, the only thing that will stop him is the prospect of losing money.

zzgo 2y ago

> Anyone advocating against Tesla is letting their emotions hurt the fight against global warming The capitalist class is driving climate change. If hurting one of the capitalist's brands by criticizing its CEO is the difference between success and failure in the fight against global warming, then the fight is already lost. BTW, we're not going to consume our way out of global warming. We should be getting away from a two cars in every driveway culture if we're going to get serious about addressing the climate emergency.

zfg 2y ago

> ANY messaging at all that dissuades the public from going EV It isn't about messaging. It's what the current administration (which Musk is a part of) is doing. This article is about the current administration stopping funding for EV chargers. > Not everyone is paying attention Yes. You should start paying attention. If you're serious about the fight against global warming, if you truly believe it's an existential threat, then you can no longer buy Tesla.