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Everyone on here is smart enough. Just do not participate and save your money. Do not pay for digital goods. If Netflix raises their prices, it doesn't matter b

Everyone on here is smart enough. Just do not participate and save your money. Do not pay for digital goods. If Netflix raises their prices, it doesn't matter because there is a torrent of all of their shows. If Spotify raises their prices, it doesn't matter because your favorite artist has their entire library in a torrent. If some game company ask you to pay real life prices for a digital costume, find the crack online and play on a private server. If YouTube wants to interrupt your video with an ad in the middle of the sentence, download one of the many options that blocks all ads. Billion dollar companies have shown they do not care about you. The people who complain about losing their salary, should just get replies thanking them for paying. All the sad poor people who might be hurt were already paid. The caterer on your favorite show is not getting residuals. NBC also isn't going to stop making TV shows because that is all they can do. Content creators also existed on the internet long before that was a job. They just did it because they cared about it not for ad money. If you really want to support the artist directly go to a concert or just mail them a check. If you can't actually identify a person who might be hurt, then do not care.

hnpolicestate 2y ago
I'm not paying for Led Zeppelin IV after having probably bought 3 copies in my lifetime. I agree with you.
dingnuts 2y ago
if you want to support an artist go to the show and BUY MERCH at the table! almost all of their income comes from that. the importance of buying a T-shirt at the show cannot be overstated and sometimes you get to say hi to your idol, too
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  It's a stupid situation, though. There are many creators I'm happy to support - but for 99% of them, I don't want their stupid merch. It's mostly low-quality garbage with high markup, that nevertheless cost something to design and produce, thus wasting both precious resources and labor - an useless tax on contributions to artists that doesn't even help anything. I really wish this wasn't necessary. (Even the okay-quality merch is a waste, since for most artists I'd want to support, I don't identify with them enough to display that stuff, so it's again just buying to put away and eventually throw away.)
  - BrandonM 2y ago
    I don’t think I’ve ever seen a band selling merch that didn’t also have a tip jar.
    - TeMPOraL 2y ago
      I've never seen a band that had. I usually end up buying CDs that then end up on the shelf or in a drawer, never opened.
  - throwawaygmbno 2y ago
    What is the point of this comment? Just a stream of consciousness for a future LLM sweep? Nobody thinks that the actual creator should get nothing. Are you asking for better T shirts? Do you want more direct ways of just giving cash?
    - TeMPOraL 2y ago
      The latter, yes.
    - nosioptar 2y ago
      I agree mostly with their comment. What I want more than anything is for bands to just sell me a damned CD. I've lost track of how many times an artist I want to support doesn't release their music on CD. I'd even settle for DRM-free flacs, if it costs less than a CD. High quality sheet music would be cool. Lindsey Stirling is the only artist I can think of that does that though. Rasputina used to at one point.
    - gpvos 2y ago
      Let them ask a tenner for an album download code.
  - nullfield 2y ago
    Well, and like the venue will take 50% of merch sales or some , which makes Apple look kinda generous.
- macromagnon 2y ago
  A lot of artists are under a 360 deal and they take a cut of everything, so that might not always be true.
  - dopidopHN 2y ago
    By a lot you mean a minority and by artist you mean professional musician in contract with large label, correct ? I live in New Orleans, that one of the few place where is see artists in the street living from their art. Paying rent by playing music. None of them have a 360 deal. And their is hundred of them just in New Orleans.
ericyd 2y ago
I just can't get behind the sentiment that the unethical behavior by big companies means I get to access all the content I want for free.
- throwawaygmbno 2y ago
  Thank you for your service
  - jamespo 2y ago
    At least your human right of watching a netflix show is unaffected
- tdb7893 2y ago
  Also if you pirate everything you're not incentivizing people to make things in a more ethical manner. I've mostly cancelled my streaming services (I'll get different ones for a month at a time for specific shows) but I still pay for Dropout.tv (when they turned a profit they paid out a dividend to actors) and Patreon for YouTube creators that have high quality content.
- drawkward 2y ago
  They have no morals, therefore I shouldn't either! That'll teach 'em!
  - chefandy 2y ago
    A whole lot of people in the tech scene got really mad when Huawei was using obviously stolen Cisco designs and code for their switches. Didn’t humanity benefit from having cheaper access to switches because they didn’t have to pay for Cisco’s sunk costs? A whole lot of people got mad when Microsoft reportedly ganked open source code for things like DNS. Didn’t humanity benefit from one of the world’s most popular server OSs having more reliable name resolution? Oh, but corporations were the primary beneficiaries, right? Well, corporations are the primary beneficiaries of this too from a financial perspective. A vanishingly small percentage of people will run, let alone train these models themselves— it’s almost exclusively used to make commercial services that directly compete against the people that made the initial ” data“. But, the vanishingly small percentage of people that directly utilize this stuff for non-commercial use frequent echo chambers like this that make them think more regular people benefit directly. And the companies that are competing directly with creatives and intellectuals using their stolen work employ a whole lot of people here, directly or not. The distinction between a reason and a justification gets pretty difficult to distinguish the closer you are to the group benefiting from injustice.
swozey 2y ago
lol I absolutely do not want non digital goods nor pirating. Ever. It's 2025. I don't have a cdplayer, a tape player, a blue ray player, I don't even know what the most modern "blue ray" disc would be. I have $2k worth of vinyls that are just unique copies I display as art I'll never put in my record player, that's also never been used. I don't want to constantly worry about 60gb of mp3 files. Oh no, that TV show I'll forget about in a year cost me $15/mo instead of $60 of blurays. I jump in my cars and hit a button and music plays. Almost any music I want. That's amazing. I'm also not pirating games. I'm not 12 without a job. I have a job. I pay developers for their work. I want more games, like Kingdom Come 3, to come out. Weird ass comment. You seriously think we're going to put our lives on hold to.. what, fight "digital media"? You think I care about netflix? Or societies use of it? I haven't used netflix in years. I don't know anybody under 40 with a netflix account. Everyone on your end of the pirate spectrum uses debrid nowadays, anyway. Next you're going to tell people to install the "Black XP Windows" edition to not support Microsoft and they all get malware and their credit cards stolen because they installed some pirated and modified cracked windows. Genius. MSNBC just cancelled Andrea Mitchells TV show, today, because she brought in no younger audiences. So yes, shows do get cancelled by not being watched. This comment was upvoted? Hn needs a break. This is some I'm 14 and edgy bullshit that sounds like it belongs on an eastern european piracy forum.
- Larrikin 2y ago
  >MSNBC just cancelled Andrea Mitchells TV show, today, because she brought in no younger audiences. So yes, shows do get cancelled by not being watched. Did anyone, young or old, want to watch an 80 year old stumble over her words, lose her train of thought, and speak so painfully slow? She had built up connections over her long career but was basically unwatchable. The worst part of a Kamala presidency would have been her on the news and not in retirement.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - swozey 2y ago
    I'm celebrating it today. No idea who is replacing her but I am ecstatic.
MourYother 2y ago
I sometimes think my adblocker should very much lie to the page that "yeah, watched that, totally" in an undetectable way.
- ffpip 2y ago
  https://adnauseam.io/ https://adnauseam.io/
  - amarcheschi 2y ago
    Goat
  - genewitch 2y ago
    It takes like a quarter hour to process the entire ad blob on my old machine, and it's over $70k in ads clicked. Between that and pihole I see very few ads. Being out and watching a yt video is shocking with how many ads there are - and what type.
Cub3 2y ago
If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing

hnpolicestate 2y ago

I'm not paying for Led Zeppelin IV after having probably bought 3 copies in my lifetime. I agree with you.

dingnuts 2y ago

if you want to support an artist go to the show and BUY MERCH at the table! almost all of their income comes from that. the importance of buying a T-shirt at the show cannot be overstated and sometimes you get to say hi to your idol, too

TeMPOraL 2y ago
It's a stupid situation, though. There are many creators I'm happy to support - but for 99% of them, I don't want their stupid merch. It's mostly low-quality garbage with high markup, that nevertheless cost something to design and produce, thus wasting both precious resources and labor - an useless tax on contributions to artists that doesn't even help anything. I really wish this wasn't necessary. (Even the okay-quality merch is a waste, since for most artists I'd want to support, I don't identify with them enough to display that stuff, so it's again just buying to put away and eventually throw away.)
- BrandonM 2y ago
  I don’t think I’ve ever seen a band selling merch that didn’t also have a tip jar.
  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    I've never seen a band that had. I usually end up buying CDs that then end up on the shelf or in a drawer, never opened.
- throwawaygmbno 2y ago
  What is the point of this comment? Just a stream of consciousness for a future LLM sweep? Nobody thinks that the actual creator should get nothing. Are you asking for better T shirts? Do you want more direct ways of just giving cash?
  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    The latter, yes.
  - nosioptar 2y ago
    I agree mostly with their comment. What I want more than anything is for bands to just sell me a damned CD. I've lost track of how many times an artist I want to support doesn't release their music on CD. I'd even settle for DRM-free flacs, if it costs less than a CD. High quality sheet music would be cool. Lindsey Stirling is the only artist I can think of that does that though. Rasputina used to at one point.
  - gpvos 2y ago
    Let them ask a tenner for an album download code.
- nullfield 2y ago
  Well, and like the venue will take 50% of merch sales or some , which makes Apple look kinda generous.
macromagnon 2y ago
A lot of artists are under a 360 deal and they take a cut of everything, so that might not always be true.
- dopidopHN 2y ago
  By a lot you mean a minority and by artist you mean professional musician in contract with large label, correct ? I live in New Orleans, that one of the few place where is see artists in the street living from their art. Paying rent by playing music. None of them have a 360 deal. And their is hundred of them just in New Orleans.

ericyd 2y ago

I just can't get behind the sentiment that the unethical behavior by big companies means I get to access all the content I want for free.

throwawaygmbno 2y ago
Thank you for your service
- jamespo 2y ago
  At least your human right of watching a netflix show is unaffected
tdb7893 2y ago
Also if you pirate everything you're not incentivizing people to make things in a more ethical manner. I've mostly cancelled my streaming services (I'll get different ones for a month at a time for specific shows) but I still pay for Dropout.tv (when they turned a profit they paid out a dividend to actors) and Patreon for YouTube creators that have high quality content.
drawkward 2y ago
They have no morals, therefore I shouldn't either! That'll teach 'em!
- chefandy 2y ago
  A whole lot of people in the tech scene got really mad when Huawei was using obviously stolen Cisco designs and code for their switches. Didn’t humanity benefit from having cheaper access to switches because they didn’t have to pay for Cisco’s sunk costs? A whole lot of people got mad when Microsoft reportedly ganked open source code for things like DNS. Didn’t humanity benefit from one of the world’s most popular server OSs having more reliable name resolution? Oh, but corporations were the primary beneficiaries, right? Well, corporations are the primary beneficiaries of this too from a financial perspective. A vanishingly small percentage of people will run, let alone train these models themselves— it’s almost exclusively used to make commercial services that directly compete against the people that made the initial ” data“. But, the vanishingly small percentage of people that directly utilize this stuff for non-commercial use frequent echo chambers like this that make them think more regular people benefit directly. And the companies that are competing directly with creatives and intellectuals using their stolen work employ a whole lot of people here, directly or not. The distinction between a reason and a justification gets pretty difficult to distinguish the closer you are to the group benefiting from injustice.

swozey 2y ago

lol I absolutely do not want non digital goods nor pirating. Ever. It's 2025. I don't have a cdplayer, a tape player, a blue ray player, I don't even know what the most modern "blue ray" disc would be. I have $2k worth of vinyls that are just unique copies I display as art I'll never put in my record player, that's also never been used. I don't want to constantly worry about 60gb of mp3 files. Oh no, that TV show I'll forget about in a year cost me $15/mo instead of $60 of blurays. I jump in my cars and hit a button and music plays. Almost any music I want. That's amazing. I'm also not pirating games. I'm not 12 without a job. I have a job. I pay developers for their work. I want more games, like Kingdom Come 3, to come out. Weird ass comment. You seriously think we're going to put our lives on hold to.. what, fight "digital media"? You think I care about netflix? Or societies use of it? I haven't used netflix in years. I don't know anybody under 40 with a netflix account. Everyone on your end of the pirate spectrum uses debrid nowadays, anyway. Next you're going to tell people to install the "Black XP Windows" edition to not support Microsoft and they all get malware and their credit cards stolen because they installed some pirated and modified cracked windows. Genius. MSNBC just cancelled Andrea Mitchells TV show, today, because she brought in no younger audiences. So yes, shows do get cancelled by not being watched. This comment was upvoted? Hn needs a break. This is some I'm 14 and edgy bullshit that sounds like it belongs on an eastern european piracy forum.

Larrikin 2y ago
>MSNBC just cancelled Andrea Mitchells TV show, today, because she brought in no younger audiences. So yes, shows do get cancelled by not being watched. Did anyone, young or old, want to watch an 80 year old stumble over her words, lose her train of thought, and speak so painfully slow? She had built up connections over her long career but was basically unwatchable. The worst part of a Kamala presidency would have been her on the news and not in retirement.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- swozey 2y ago
  I'm celebrating it today. No idea who is replacing her but I am ecstatic.

MourYother 2y ago

I sometimes think my adblocker should very much lie to the page that "yeah, watched that, totally" in an undetectable way.

ffpip 2y ago
https://adnauseam.io/ https://adnauseam.io/
- amarcheschi 2y ago
  Goat
- genewitch 2y ago
  It takes like a quarter hour to process the entire ad blob on my old machine, and it's over $70k in ads clicked. Between that and pihole I see very few ads. Being out and watching a yt video is shocking with how many ads there are - and what type.

Cub3 2y ago

If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing