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AI dialogue analysis confirms movies have grown more violent over past 70 years

11 points by pseudolus 2y ago

bhaney 2y ago
"Study" (We asked an AI) "Confirms" (It said yes)
- tempodox 2y ago
  The mere mention of “AI” means it's all unreliable rumor hallucination. Pretending like the excretions of an “AI” are anywhere near credible is an instant disqualifier.
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2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
Bring back titties in action flicks!
feverzsj 2y ago
Or just count the ratings.
throawayonthe 2y ago
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datadrivenangel 2y ago
We didn't allow movies to be as violent 70 years ago because of censorship...
- BJones12 2y ago
  Correct. 70 years ago the Hays Code [0] was still in use. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hays_Code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hays_Code
seydor 2y ago
The trend seems to have happened long ago, in the 80s. What's most interesting is that despite the deluge of cancellations and heavy (self-)censorship, the 2010s and 20s did not change anything.
- bluefirebrand 2y ago
  I dunno. There were a lot more R rated blockbuster movies back in the 80s than there are nowadays Yes there are a few exceptions. John Wick. Mad Max Fury Road Those are the exception these days though, I think?
  - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
    There was / is an era where moreso than moral policing, the big movie companies realised how much money there is to be had in films for all ages. In practice it doesn't stop younger people from watching films above their age rating but still.
- gedy 2y ago
  > despite the deluge of cancellations and heavy (self-)censorship That was for (some) sexual and racial issues, not violence though.
- PorterBHall 2y ago
  Bonnie and Clyde (1967), The Wild Bunch (1969), The Godfather (1972). I think that’s when it really changed.
somewhereoutth 2y ago
I have a mental 'gun clock' when browsing random movie channels on my cable package - the time until a gun appears. Quite often it is zero.
commandlinefan 2y ago
How is this not a "water is wet" finding? Did anybody seriously think they hadn't?
soulofmischief 2y ago
Do people not consider what kind of movies would have been made just a few hundred if not a few thousand years ago? For all these violent movies, society as a whole seems to be a lot less violent (though we cannot say the same of our genocidal governments and their supporters)
nickpsecurity 2y ago
The Bible predicts both our sinful nature and the Devil will inspire those in power to promote more sin (evil) to influence the populace. The populace will also demand it more, have more appetite, as they get more corrupt. Those are testable predictions easily confirmed by watching older and recent movies. Here’s the patterns. For each sin, they start with either none of it (taboo) or tiny amounts. They gradually increase what sins they display, how often they do it, how vivid the depictions are, how extreme the depictions are, and how many sins are combined into one act or scene. They move most from something shocking to tolerated to cool. They gradually move them from R-rated toward shows or books for kids that encourage them to act that way. As you read examples, ask two things: What inside of the majority of people drives them to enjoy more of this content? If these trends continue, what kind of people do they produce or behaviors do they reinforce? Profanity. They used non-curse words, then some curse words, then more, and non-stop cursing. They especially like to use God’s or Jesus Christ’s name as a curse words. Violence. It occurred in limited ways with non-graphic depictions. Then, they increased the gore, the amounts, the creativity the bad guys used, the rape, the torture, the dismemberment. Revenge or killing culture. Movies often featured forms of justice with some revenge killing. While Christ is about forgiveness and restoration where possible, recent movies heavily promote solving problems by killing everyone involved or even peripherally connected. Then, more brutal ways of getting payback. Idolatry. They’ve increasingly put long expositions of characters with polytheistic or person as god type of theologies. They reward subjectivism which drives many problems today. Hollywood also nearly universally censors the Gospel of Jesus Christ despite expositing everything else and a huge demand (1 billion customers) for Jesus. Nudity/sex (people are objects). They started by increasing nudity: clothes, bathing suits, butts, breasts, frontal shots, and full nudity. Then, more porn like shots. Sex scenes increased: implied, visual with them covered, more nudity, longer scenes, and eventually like porn. They normalized sex with multiple partners and adultery, too, with likeable characters doing these things. LGBT. They pushed from top-down to normalize an uncommon, unnatural behavior in people’s minds. They progression: sneaking characters in, making them openly say their attributes, couples, romance, sex. Now, the award criteria incentivizes them to always push LGBT characters in a way that makes them look better than others which encourages that behavior if people want special treatment. Kids in schools are already pretending for extra attention. Damaging philosophies. I’ll restate this since it’s important. The movies heavily push subjectivism, evolution (we’re animals), multiverse, nothing really matters in the long run, pleasure chasing, exploitation, and expositions of racist philosophies (eg American History X). Righteousness and Jesus aren’t allowed. Many of the worst things we’ve read in the news are tied to the philosophies that get tons of screen time while the cure for that is censored. So, yes, movies have grown more violent and sinful over the years. Each Biblical prediction, especially each sin, has been happening. It is by design. The effects are highly damaging since garbage in equals garbage out. People need to repent, vote with their wallets against sinful suppliers, and fill their minds with everything good and honorable instead.
empath75 2y ago
The paper is full of grammatical mistakes and typos, and full of obvious errors in how they classify statements in their own examples. I don't think it 'confirms' anything. And using a reddit dataset as a way to classify "abusive" language makes zero sense if you're using it to evaluate movies from the 1950s. What counts as abusive language is extremely context sensitive -- to give one example: the word "retarded" used to be seen as a euphemism and not a term of abuse. It'd be highly abusive in the 1980s or 1990s, but in the 1950s, it might be a kind way to refer to someone with a mental handicap.
johnea 2y ago
This does bring to mind the Jack Nicholson quote (1972): "The censors say they're protecting the family unit in America when, in fact, the reality of the censorship is if you suck a tit, you're an X, but if you cut it off with a sword, you're a GP." His point being that in the US there's a preference to violence over sexuality. Let's face it, we're a violent primate species... I hope wew can get better...

11 points by pseudolus 2y ago

bhaney 2y ago

"Study" (We asked an AI) "Confirms" (It said yes)

tempodox 2y ago
The mere mention of “AI” means it's all unreliable rumor hallucination. Pretending like the excretions of an “AI” are anywhere near credible is an instant disqualifier.

deleted 2y ago

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2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago

Bring back titties in action flicks!

feverzsj 2y ago

Or just count the ratings.

throawayonthe 2y ago

[dead]

datadrivenangel 2y ago

We didn't allow movies to be as violent 70 years ago because of censorship...

BJones12 2y ago
Correct. 70 years ago the Hays Code [0] was still in use. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hays_Code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hays_Code

seydor 2y ago

The trend seems to have happened long ago, in the 80s. What's most interesting is that despite the deluge of cancellations and heavy (self-)censorship, the 2010s and 20s did not change anything.

bluefirebrand 2y ago
I dunno. There were a lot more R rated blockbuster movies back in the 80s than there are nowadays Yes there are a few exceptions. John Wick. Mad Max Fury Road Those are the exception these days though, I think?
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  There was / is an era where moreso than moral policing, the big movie companies realised how much money there is to be had in films for all ages. In practice it doesn't stop younger people from watching films above their age rating but still.
gedy 2y ago
> despite the deluge of cancellations and heavy (self-)censorship That was for (some) sexual and racial issues, not violence though.
PorterBHall 2y ago
Bonnie and Clyde (1967), The Wild Bunch (1969), The Godfather (1972). I think that’s when it really changed.

somewhereoutth 2y ago

I have a mental 'gun clock' when browsing random movie channels on my cable package - the time until a gun appears. Quite often it is zero.

commandlinefan 2y ago

How is this not a "water is wet" finding? Did anybody seriously think they hadn't?

soulofmischief 2y ago

Do people not consider what kind of movies would have been made just a few hundred if not a few thousand years ago? For all these violent movies, society as a whole seems to be a lot less violent (though we cannot say the same of our genocidal governments and their supporters)

nickpsecurity 2y ago

The Bible predicts both our sinful nature and the Devil will inspire those in power to promote more sin (evil) to influence the populace. The populace will also demand it more, have more appetite, as they get more corrupt. Those are testable predictions easily confirmed by watching older and recent movies. Here’s the patterns. For each sin, they start with either none of it (taboo) or tiny amounts. They gradually increase what sins they display, how often they do it, how vivid the depictions are, how extreme the depictions are, and how many sins are combined into one act or scene. They move most from something shocking to tolerated to cool. They gradually move them from R-rated toward shows or books for kids that encourage them to act that way. As you read examples, ask two things: What inside of the majority of people drives them to enjoy more of this content? If these trends continue, what kind of people do they produce or behaviors do they reinforce? Profanity. They used non-curse words, then some curse words, then more, and non-stop cursing. They especially like to use God’s or Jesus Christ’s name as a curse words. Violence. It occurred in limited ways with non-graphic depictions. Then, they increased the gore, the amounts, the creativity the bad guys used, the rape, the torture, the dismemberment. Revenge or killing culture. Movies often featured forms of justice with some revenge killing. While Christ is about forgiveness and restoration where possible, recent movies heavily promote solving problems by killing everyone involved or even peripherally connected. Then, more brutal ways of getting payback. Idolatry. They’ve increasingly put long expositions of characters with polytheistic or person as god type of theologies. They reward subjectivism which drives many problems today. Hollywood also nearly universally censors the Gospel of Jesus Christ despite expositing everything else and a huge demand (1 billion customers) for Jesus. Nudity/sex (people are objects). They started by increasing nudity: clothes, bathing suits, butts, breasts, frontal shots, and full nudity. Then, more porn like shots. Sex scenes increased: implied, visual with them covered, more nudity, longer scenes, and eventually like porn. They normalized sex with multiple partners and adultery, too, with likeable characters doing these things. LGBT. They pushed from top-down to normalize an uncommon, unnatural behavior in people’s minds. They progression: sneaking characters in, making them openly say their attributes, couples, romance, sex. Now, the award criteria incentivizes them to always push LGBT characters in a way that makes them look better than others which encourages that behavior if people want special treatment. Kids in schools are already pretending for extra attention. Damaging philosophies. I’ll restate this since it’s important. The movies heavily push subjectivism, evolution (we’re animals), multiverse, nothing really matters in the long run, pleasure chasing, exploitation, and expositions of racist philosophies (eg American History X). Righteousness and Jesus aren’t allowed. Many of the worst things we’ve read in the news are tied to the philosophies that get tons of screen time while the cure for that is censored. So, yes, movies have grown more violent and sinful over the years. Each Biblical prediction, especially each sin, has been happening. It is by design. The effects are highly damaging since garbage in equals garbage out. People need to repent, vote with their wallets against sinful suppliers, and fill their minds with everything good and honorable instead.

empath75 2y ago

The paper is full of grammatical mistakes and typos, and full of obvious errors in how they classify statements in their own examples. I don't think it 'confirms' anything. And using a reddit dataset as a way to classify "abusive" language makes zero sense if you're using it to evaluate movies from the 1950s. What counts as abusive language is extremely context sensitive -- to give one example: the word "retarded" used to be seen as a euphemism and not a term of abuse. It'd be highly abusive in the 1980s or 1990s, but in the 1950s, it might be a kind way to refer to someone with a mental handicap.

johnea 2y ago

This does bring to mind the Jack Nicholson quote (1972): "The censors say they're protecting the family unit in America when, in fact, the reality of the censorship is if you suck a tit, you're an X, but if you cut it off with a sword, you're a GP." His point being that in the US there's a preference to violence over sexuality. Let's face it, we're a violent primate species... I hope wew can get better...