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> By banning Apple from doing business in the UK. To use poker terminology: I think that if the UK made this bet that Apple would call.

JoshTriplett 2y ago
I really hope so. I would love to see that showdown. Hopefully, "can't buy an iPhone in the UK and everyone knows why" makes the Snooper's Charter a radioactive mess that legislators fall all over themselves to repeal.
- elcritch 2y ago
  Exactly, imagine the legislatures facing their irate teen daughters for bricking Apple devices.
- chrisjj 2y ago
  I don't see how closing Apple UK would mean "can't buy an iPhone in the UK". Importing is a thing.
  - JoshTriplett 2y ago
    In which case, Apple still wins by not having to put in a backdoor.
izacus 2y ago
Apple stockholders would never allow that.
- throw0101c 2y ago
  > Apple stockholders would never allow that. Then they can vote in a board of directors that agrees with them, and have that board fire Tim Cook. I would hazard to guess that you'll see an exodus of a lot of folks leaving Apple either because (a) they won't follow that order, or (b) in solidarity with those that are fired. Reminder that privacy is feature that Apple touts (how much you believe them is up to you): > On January 28, 2021, Apple CEO Tim Cook delivered remarks at Computers, Privacy & Data Protection Conference: Enforcing Rights in a Changing World. The virtual conference — hosted annually in Brussels, Belgium — is one of the foremost international privacy and technology conferences bringing together leaders from academia, government, civil society and the private sector. Learn more about the features and controls Apple provides users to safeguard their privacy at http://www.apple.com/privacy http://www.apple.com/privacy * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaLxTz1Yw7M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaLxTz1Yw7M * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HjDpPnxcP0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HjDpPnxcP0 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YOi0r3vptQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YOi0r3vptQ
  - izacus 2y ago
    I don't know where your ideas are coming from - Apple easily folded and gave all data to Chinese government when commanded to do so under leadership of Tim Cook. Where does your thinking that they'll suddenly forget about revenue from UK over this come from?
    - throw0101c 2y ago
      > Where does your thinking that they'll suddenly forget about revenue from UK over this come from? * https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+china+revenues https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+china+revenues * https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+uk+revenues https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+uk+revenues
    - mitthrowaway2 2y ago
      Probably the belief that the CCP would survive Apple withdrawing from China, but the UK government would not survive Apple withdrawing from the UK.
  - anticensor 2y ago
    Shutdown by voluntary liquidation requires shareholder approval, cannot be done by the board alone.
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JoshTriplett 2y ago

I really hope so. I would love to see that showdown. Hopefully, "can't buy an iPhone in the UK and everyone knows why" makes the Snooper's Charter a radioactive mess that legislators fall all over themselves to repeal.

elcritch 2y ago
Exactly, imagine the legislatures facing their irate teen daughters for bricking Apple devices.
chrisjj 2y ago
I don't see how closing Apple UK would mean "can't buy an iPhone in the UK". Importing is a thing.
- JoshTriplett 2y ago
  In which case, Apple still wins by not having to put in a backdoor.

izacus 2y ago

Apple stockholders would never allow that.

throw0101c 2y ago
> Apple stockholders would never allow that. Then they can vote in a board of directors that agrees with them, and have that board fire Tim Cook. I would hazard to guess that you'll see an exodus of a lot of folks leaving Apple either because (a) they won't follow that order, or (b) in solidarity with those that are fired. Reminder that privacy is feature that Apple touts (how much you believe them is up to you): > On January 28, 2021, Apple CEO Tim Cook delivered remarks at Computers, Privacy & Data Protection Conference: Enforcing Rights in a Changing World. The virtual conference — hosted annually in Brussels, Belgium — is one of the foremost international privacy and technology conferences bringing together leaders from academia, government, civil society and the private sector. Learn more about the features and controls Apple provides users to safeguard their privacy at http://www.apple.com/privacy http://www.apple.com/privacy * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaLxTz1Yw7M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaLxTz1Yw7M * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HjDpPnxcP0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HjDpPnxcP0 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YOi0r3vptQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YOi0r3vptQ
- izacus 2y ago
  I don't know where your ideas are coming from - Apple easily folded and gave all data to Chinese government when commanded to do so under leadership of Tim Cook. Where does your thinking that they'll suddenly forget about revenue from UK over this come from?
  - throw0101c 2y ago
    > Where does your thinking that they'll suddenly forget about revenue from UK over this come from? * https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+china+revenues https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+china+revenues * https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+uk+revenues https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+uk+revenues
  - mitthrowaway2 2y ago
    Probably the belief that the CCP would survive Apple withdrawing from China, but the UK government would not survive Apple withdrawing from the UK.
- anticensor 2y ago
  Shutdown by voluntary liquidation requires shareholder approval, cannot be done by the board alone.
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