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And if you think China and the USA and Russia wouldn't want it... hey I've got this bridge for sale.

by mathw 2y ago

idle_zealot 2y ago
The difference is that China and Russia have the sense to spy on foreign citizens with hackers, trackers, and other covert means. Somehow the UK feels entitled to Apple doing their espionage for them, and has the gall to ask publicly. Note that this is not China apologia: they do the same brazen shit locally, but they're an authoritarian regime. I have lower expectations for human rights there.
shafyy 2y ago
If you, like me, didn't know where the idiom "I've got a bridge to sell you" comes from, here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Parker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Parker George C. Parker was a conman in NYC who multiples times sold the ownership of the Brooklyn Bridge to his victims. Among other cons.
- bilekas 2y ago
  I know we're going off topic but I remember hearing about this, and reminded me then a similar case in Paris where the Eifel Tower was being sold too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Lustig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Lustig
  - shafyy 2y ago
    Ah, the good ol' days of conman. No, all we've got are crypto scammer =D
- guappa 2y ago
  Here's a whole movie on various scams https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qJuxxUoZRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qJuxxUoZRw
bluGill 2y ago
There are tensions in the US. Those who are charged with stopping cyber crime are very must against this. End to End encryption is one of the better protections they can give you against foreign hackers and they want you to use it. Meanwhile down the hall are people who are charged with investigating crimes someone in the country commits and they are want this. It is a lot easier to prove someone is involved in some crime if a warrant can get their data, but end to end encryption means they can only get random bytes. (of course they don't want warrants either, but that is a different issue not relevant here so they will specify warrants in this debate)

And if you think China and the USA and Russia wouldn't want it... hey I've got this bridge for sale.

by mathw 2y ago

And if you think China and the USA and Russia wouldn't want it... hey I've got this bridge for sale.

The difference is that China and Russia have the sense to spy on foreign citizens with hackers, trackers, and other covert means. Somehow the UK feels entitled to Apple doing their espionage for them, and has the gall to ask publicly. Note that this is not China apologia: they do the same brazen shit locally, but they're an authoritarian regime. I have lower expectations for human rights there.

shafyy 2y ago

If you, like me, didn't know where the idiom "I've got a bridge to sell you" comes from, here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Parker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Parker George C. Parker was a conman in NYC who multiples times sold the ownership of the Brooklyn Bridge to his victims. Among other cons.

bilekas 2y ago
I know we're going off topic but I remember hearing about this, and reminded me then a similar case in Paris where the Eifel Tower was being sold too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Lustig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Lustig
- shafyy 2y ago
  Ah, the good ol' days of conman. No, all we've got are crypto scammer =D
guappa 2y ago
Here's a whole movie on various scams https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qJuxxUoZRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qJuxxUoZRw

bluGill 2y ago

There are tensions in the US. Those who are charged with stopping cyber crime are very must against this. End to End encryption is one of the better protections they can give you against foreign hackers and they want you to use it. Meanwhile down the hall are people who are charged with investigating crimes someone in the country commits and they are want this. It is a lot easier to prove someone is involved in some crime if a warrant can get their data, but end to end encryption means they can only get random bytes. (of course they don't want warrants either, but that is a different issue not relevant here so they will specify warrants in this debate)