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> Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. I don't understand why you wouldn't just buy copies of the
by Wowfunhappy 2y ago
> Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same.
I don't understand why you wouldn't just buy copies of the books. Seems like such a relatively inexpensive way to strengthen your legal case.
- cess11 2y agoToo much paperwork, too much effort. These are important people, doing much more important stuff than whatever book authors do. Or so they think, I think.
- TeMPOraL 2y agoI doubt they think that way, but even if they did, they'd be right - for 99% of the works in question, the biggest value they gave to the world is, by far, being part of the LLM training corpus. There's lots of content out there. Most of it is noise. People forget because they're only ever exposed to an aggressively curated fraction of it.
- cess11 2y agoNo, it's not.
- gosub100 2y agothanks to the byzantine copyright system, you can't easily do it. Plus, just speculating, but maybe by paying, it establishes "consideration" for some implied contract? "You implicitly entered a contract with us by purchasing the book, then violated the contract by 'distributing' the material for commercial use" ?
- almatabata 2y agoThere must be a publisher out there that forbids you from training an AI on the copy you buy from them by now.
- jokethrowaway 2y agoBuying the books won't automatically give you permission to use the content commercially
- londons_explore 2y agoPretty sure that even if you gave a purchasing team enough money for retail price and a list of all books ever published, they wouldn't be able to buy even a quarter of them.
- oblio 2y agoPlus some people will just not sell at any price.
- freeone3000 2y agoBuying a copy of the book doesn’t grant you the right to copy it. That is what copyright is for.
- ivell 2y agoThey might even have gotten away with legitimate use argument if it was not seeded.
- qup 2y agoIt grants you the right to read & study it though.
- TeMPOraL 2y agoThe right to read and study you have by default. It's getting your hands on a book that has legal caveats attached.
- qup 2y agoYes, but getting your hands on the material isn't a very interesting legal question IMO. Whether you can train your LLM on it is a very interesting question. I've personally never been in favor of punishing people for downloading (or seeding) things.
- TeMPOraL 2y agoOne which buying books for your LLM doesn't answer either. In analogy to humans, you might as well give your LLM a library card.
- jml7c5 2y agoAnna's Archive has 40 million books and 100 million papers. It's unlikely they could achieve similar coverage.