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We all like hating big corporations, especially Meta, and people seem to use this as an opportunity to advocate for punishing them. I think it's wiser to advoca
by yoavm 2y ago
We all like hating big corporations, especially Meta, and people seem to use this as an opportunity to advocate for punishing them. I think it's wiser to advocate for changing our IP laws.
- Ekaros 2y agoFirst punish them. Then change the laws.
- DaSHacka 2y agoI bet you and my "first build the product, then worry about security" manager would get along.
- Ekaros 2y agoMy approach is same. First fire that manager. Then define security.
- ngneer 2y agoThat one is tough, because they are blind to the risk. I try to only work with people who have been burned before or have been around long enough to have seen the aftermath. Let me guess, they are probably telling you "show me the vulnerability", but refuse to delay shipping or fund the PoC. Best advice is to communicate in writing the most likely risk and threat scenarios, with as much data or extrapolated data as possible. When the security flaws are later discovered, that is data you can refer to. From what I read, this is what Zoom was like early on. They had amateur hour security and then when s*t hit the fan they beefed it up and retained a security team. I guess you could say it worked for them?
- anticensor 2y agoIn many countries, that'd trigger an automatic release/repayment of unjustly sentenced fines.
- aprilthird2021 2y agoI think most of the public is probably in favor of stronger IP laws now that big corps are threatening to make them jobless with IP-disrespecting AIs
- rchaud 2y agoSomething tells me stronger IP laws will be drafted by holders of that IP, with little if any regard to the potential for job losses for regular people from AI.
- aprilthird2021 2y agoMaybe, but it's better than the current situation with 0 regard for potential job losses for regular people, probably why they're in favor of trying something vs the status quo
- Nasrudith 2y agoMost of the public has jobs based upon IP? While it is probably a bigger share than farming, I doubt that. The actual drivers appear to be a mixture of hysteria, and reflexive anti-corporate sentiment as we see even self-proclaimed leftists going "WTF, I love copyright now!".
- miltonlost 2y agoBig corporations all like hating their consumers abd legal laws. You love committing crimes it seems.
- DaSHacka 2y agoI fail to see how you arrived at GP being a hobbyist criminal based on their suggestion that IP laws need to be modernized.
- lrvick 2y agoI truly hope Meta has a serious security issue that burns their company to the ground. That said, I want them to burn for the right reasons. Downloading data that should be available to the public is not one of them.
- lblume 2y agoExactly. Everyone should have the right to have access to this.
- palata 2y agoAre you sure that everything should be in the public domain? Say you spend a year writing a book, shouldn't you be able to sell it?
- rafaelero 2y agoThey should sell for a price it would make pirating it pointless. Like what Spotify or Netflix did to audio and visual content. Then they can use the exposure to find other ways to make money.
- StefanBatory 2y agoOr if you don't agree with the price, do not buy it. You are NOT entitled to entertain yourself in any way you want. (unless it's funded by taxes etc, in which case... okay, it's open to discussion.) Look, let's be honest - what gives you or others the right to steal from others?
- boesboes 2y agoThey broke the law and should be punished for that. Whether the law should change is a separate discussion. Also, change the law so this is legal for poor meta? smh..
- _Algernon_ 2y agoWe're sick of the double standards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#United_States_v._Aaron_Swartz_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#United_States_v._... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#Death While Aaron Swartz was bullied to suicide, these corporations will walk free and make billions. I say give every tech CEO the Swartz treatment, then change the law.
- nashashmi 2y agoThe lesson here is make sure you only break the rules in the limits of severity that your wealth class allows. MIT students will get away with breaking bigger rules than community college students will.
- willturman 2y agoAh, you're citing that inviolable document, the United States Constitution, which brought forth the even-handed dawn of a legal caste system.
- scotty79 2y agoDouble standards is how the law is practiced since time immemorial. Copyright is Disney-Sony law made up few decades ago for no reason other than money. Pick your battles.
- IncreasePosts 2y agoSwartz committed suicide because he was mentally ill. He also attempted suicide multiple times in his life while not being "bullied". If he was acting rationally and came to the conclusion that dying was better than spending X years in jail, he would have committed suicide after sentencing, not before any trial had even happened.
- BeetleB 2y ago> He also attempted suicide multiple times in his life while not being "bullied". Citation?
- palata 2y agoYou're conflating different problems. Big corporations are too big, they should just not exist. When you have corporations more powerful than the government of the biggest states, it's a bug, not a feature. The IP laws may need rethinking. Saying that they should disappear because big corporations are above the law doesn't help, though. First kill the big corporations, then think about fair laws. Changing the law now would not change anything since those corporations are already above the law.
- larodi 2y agoPerhaps they just did, or we are doing it - basically this should lead to abolition of copyright to any published article there is. Not sure how’d it impact open source, we’ll either have all of it open, or none at all.
- bbor 2y agoEven without copyright there are trade secrets, not to mention trademarks and patents. Maybe we could get rid of the latter, but I think we’d need to be pretty heavily into socialist utopia before considering nixing the former two!
- everforward 2y agoTrademarks and patents are very different from copyright. Trademarks especially so because they aren't designed to "own" knowledge, just to prevent confusion about who made a product or what it is. "Intellectual property" is an abomination of a term because it conflates 3 separate mechanisms with differing goals, pretending that they're related in any meaningful sense. Patents protect a process. Trademarks protect identity. Copyright protects knowledge. Disparate mechanisms for disparate goals.
- palata 2y ago> Copyright protects knowledge. Not at all. I am amazed by how badly copyright is understood. You can buy a physics book, learn about physics from it, and use that knowledge somewhere else. That's totally legal, an copyright doesn't prevent you from doing that at all.
- blueboo 2y agoWe may in retrospect find that the moment may have passed where "big corporations" have become more powerful and impactful on our lives than the IP laws on the books. After all, we can already plainly see they only come into effect when useful by the powerful
- yodsanklai 2y agoBig corporations don't have morale or ethics. They'll break any laws as long as it's profitable. There's no point complaining about Meta or Zuck. Meta does what it's designed to do. If people aren't happy, they should vote for more regulations.
- JKCalhoun 2y ago...and boycott the offender's products.
- jillyboel 2y agoFirst we must prosecute Meta into committing suicide like was done to Aaron Swartz. After justice is served, we should change IP laws.
- freeAgent 2y agoThe point is about the hypocrisy and double-standards evinced by this behavior.