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So it’s a delusion that the guy who tried to overthrow the vote last time will prevent the next election this time? Tyrants tried multiple times before succeedi

So it’s a delusion that the guy who tried to overthrow the vote last time will prevent the next election this time? Tyrants tried multiple times before succeeding in Athens, why not today?

input_sh 2y ago
Not to mention specifically saying "you won't have to vote anymore" on multiple occasions.
milesrout 2y ago
He didnt try to "overthrow the vote" any more than Clinton did in 2016 or Gore did in 2000.
- labster 2y ago
  The people whom Trump rallied and told to march to Capitol Hill went there for the express purpose of preventing the results of the people’s vote via the Electoral College from being accepted. This was proven in many courts of law. Not only did Trump prevent the military from responding to the putsch in his benefit until it was clear the effort had failed, he later issued a full pardon to all those involved in the attack on Congress. I can’t remember any Democratic President or candidate thereof in the history of the republic doing anything similar. Can you provide examples?
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    You missed a few things. The whole "alternate electors" thing. That wasn't "just in case the court cases go our way and we turn out to have won the state". No, they were presented as the real electors. How did that happen? It wasn't just a random coincidence that seven different states did that. No, Trump orchestrated that. There was the pressure campaign on Pence. He was told to approve the alternate electors rather than the real ones. Not just once - he was repeatedly told to do that. The riot is minor compared to those two items.
  - milesrout 2y ago
    But he didn't do that. Go and read his actual speech. The words he actually used. He encouraged peaceful protest. Why were fiery riots presented as "mostly peaceful protests" while someone that encouraged people to peacefully protest is held responsible for that protest turning into a riot?
    - Juliate 2y ago
      You’re totally rewriting history here. Given the distance to the events, you cannot do so in good faith.

So it’s a delusion that the guy who tried to overthrow the vote last time will prevent the next election this time? Tyrants tried multiple times before succeeding in Athens, why not today?

input_sh 2y ago

Not to mention specifically saying "you won't have to vote anymore" on multiple occasions.

milesrout 2y ago

He didnt try to "overthrow the vote" any more than Clinton did in 2016 or Gore did in 2000.

labster 2y ago
The people whom Trump rallied and told to march to Capitol Hill went there for the express purpose of preventing the results of the people’s vote via the Electoral College from being accepted. This was proven in many courts of law. Not only did Trump prevent the military from responding to the putsch in his benefit until it was clear the effort had failed, he later issued a full pardon to all those involved in the attack on Congress. I can’t remember any Democratic President or candidate thereof in the history of the republic doing anything similar. Can you provide examples?
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  You missed a few things. The whole "alternate electors" thing. That wasn't "just in case the court cases go our way and we turn out to have won the state". No, they were presented as the real electors. How did that happen? It wasn't just a random coincidence that seven different states did that. No, Trump orchestrated that. There was the pressure campaign on Pence. He was told to approve the alternate electors rather than the real ones. Not just once - he was repeatedly told to do that. The riot is minor compared to those two items.
- milesrout 2y ago
  But he didn't do that. Go and read his actual speech. The words he actually used. He encouraged peaceful protest. Why were fiery riots presented as "mostly peaceful protests" while someone that encouraged people to peacefully protest is held responsible for that protest turning into a riot?
  - Juliate 2y ago
    You’re totally rewriting history here. Given the distance to the events, you cannot do so in good faith.