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But that is the fact, isn't it? If the individual contributor could get a promotion in their old team, I assume they would stay there? This is about managing th

by mcny 2y ago

But that is the fact, isn't it? If the individual contributor could get a promotion in their old team, I assume they would stay there? This is about managing the "optics" but it doesn't change the facts?

monsieurbanana 2y ago
When you send a cover letter to apply for a job, you wouldn't say you want to work there because of the salary. Yet we all know.
IanCal 2y ago
Not necessarily. It's a desire to move out from their current position. They may prefer a move upwards where they currently are, or sideways, but a move nonetheless. I think that's different from "You wouldn't give me X so I'm annoyed and don't want to be here any more".
- mcny 2y ago
  I am sorry. I didn't mean it as a negative. In fact, when I read the post, it felt like the vice president was stringing the individual contributor along dangling a promotion to the individual contributor but never granting it. Yes, I agree a move could be upward or sideways but basically what I understood from the OP is the VP is either malicious or incompetent. I would love to learn why a VP would string along ICs like this... why not speak the truth? Do they think we are idiots?
  - rednafi 2y ago
    While it’s an employers’ market now, it many regions, getting good people has become equally difficult. Seen it in first person and that could be one reason why the VP is acting like this.
  - lostdog 2y ago
    Sometimes the VP gets surprised with budget or headcount constraints. Or maybe they were expecting the IC to perform a bit better this quarter, but other people involved in the promo process do not feel that the IC has met the bar, and block the promo. And yeah, it's always possible that the VP is just saying what's necessary to keep the IC on the team and productive, but there's plenty of cases where the VP is trying for your promo, and we cannot tell from OPs comment exactly what's going on here.

by mcny 2y ago

monsieurbanana 2y ago

When you send a cover letter to apply for a job, you wouldn't say you want to work there because of the salary. Yet we all know.

IanCal 2y ago

Not necessarily. It's a desire to move out from their current position. They may prefer a move upwards where they currently are, or sideways, but a move nonetheless. I think that's different from "You wouldn't give me X so I'm annoyed and don't want to be here any more".

mcny 2y ago
I am sorry. I didn't mean it as a negative. In fact, when I read the post, it felt like the vice president was stringing the individual contributor along dangling a promotion to the individual contributor but never granting it. Yes, I agree a move could be upward or sideways but basically what I understood from the OP is the VP is either malicious or incompetent. I would love to learn why a VP would string along ICs like this... why not speak the truth? Do they think we are idiots?
- rednafi 2y ago
  While it’s an employers’ market now, it many regions, getting good people has become equally difficult. Seen it in first person and that could be one reason why the VP is acting like this.
- lostdog 2y ago
  Sometimes the VP gets surprised with budget or headcount constraints. Or maybe they were expecting the IC to perform a bit better this quarter, but other people involved in the promo process do not feel that the IC has met the bar, and block the promo. And yeah, it's always possible that the VP is just saying what's necessary to keep the IC on the team and productive, but there's plenty of cases where the VP is trying for your promo, and we cannot tell from OPs comment exactly what's going on here.