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How can Toyota even be on this list when they only sell one, terrible, hilariously overpriced electric car, and have stated numerous times they don't want anyth

How can Toyota even be on this list when they only sell one, terrible, hilariously overpriced electric car, and have stated numerous times they don't want anything to do with EVs? It's very disappointing. I loved my Prius and would have loved a good Toyota EV. I've even driven their hydrogen car and it's not bad. But they insist on doing a Blockbuster\Nokia\Blackberry\Kodak and we can't stop them.

teeth-gnasher 2y ago
Because hybrids are the best EV’s and Toyota makes the best hubrids.
- bangaladore 2y ago
  Certainly depends what you believe defines "best". Hybrids have all the complexity of a ICE with most of the complexity of an EV. Particularly PHEVs. Hybrids, assuming they are reliable, exist to save on gas mileage and for that reason have value. PHEVs are overpriced hybrids IMO. As someone who drives an, admittedly top of the line, EV daily. I feel like PHEVs don't fit anywhere in the market. Hybrids will exist as long as consumer sentiment is EVs have range problems. Those consumers, I believe, are uninformed of the actual range of EVs and uninformed about how EV charging works (or should work).
kemayo 2y ago
I'd assume it's people who haven't done any research yet -- they said they want an EV, and then they got asked "do you like the idea of buying an EV from Brand X?". It's a pure gut feeling about the brand.
apparent 2y ago
This shows how (un)informed the respondents were. The surveys seem to be specifically about EVs, not hybrids, given the reference to charging networks.
- timbit42 2y ago
  Have you heard of plug-in hybrids (PHEVs)?
  - apparent 2y ago
    Of course. Does the article mention them? My point stands, considering that Toyota doesn't sell many of those either. I recall during COVID RAV 4 Primes were going for like $100k because they were in such short supply. I have found that most people who know about Toyota's vehicles are not aware of their PHEVs, so doubt that most people in this survey were thinking of them.

teeth-gnasher 2y ago

Because hybrids are the best EV’s and Toyota makes the best hubrids.

bangaladore 2y ago
Certainly depends what you believe defines "best". Hybrids have all the complexity of a ICE with most of the complexity of an EV. Particularly PHEVs. Hybrids, assuming they are reliable, exist to save on gas mileage and for that reason have value. PHEVs are overpriced hybrids IMO. As someone who drives an, admittedly top of the line, EV daily. I feel like PHEVs don't fit anywhere in the market. Hybrids will exist as long as consumer sentiment is EVs have range problems. Those consumers, I believe, are uninformed of the actual range of EVs and uninformed about how EV charging works (or should work).

kemayo 2y ago

I'd assume it's people who haven't done any research yet -- they said they want an EV, and then they got asked "do you like the idea of buying an EV from Brand X?". It's a pure gut feeling about the brand.

apparent 2y ago

This shows how (un)informed the respondents were. The surveys seem to be specifically about EVs, not hybrids, given the reference to charging networks.

timbit42 2y ago
Have you heard of plug-in hybrids (PHEVs)?
- apparent 2y ago
  Of course. Does the article mention them? My point stands, considering that Toyota doesn't sell many of those either. I recall during COVID RAV 4 Primes were going for like $100k because they were in such short supply. I have found that most people who know about Toyota's vehicles are not aware of their PHEVs, so doubt that most people in this survey were thinking of them.