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If you think this is actually about "rampant waste in our government" then you are incredibly naive.

adamtaylor_13 2y ago
I’ve heard lots of people say that, and you’re entitled to that opinion. But I have yet to hear a single coherent argument explaining why that’s the case. I’m open minded but so far all I’ve heard is Musk/Trump haters clanging the alarm that somehow they’re going to take over the government or ruin America or whatever. With no explanation and no facts to back it up.
- chris_wot 2y ago
  The evidence is fairly smacking you in the face. Have you seen the number of Executive Orders that Trump has been signing? Many of which are almost certainly to be overturned?
  - adamtaylor_13 2y ago
    Yes, what does signing a lot of executive orders have to do with it? Historically-speaking American presidents are using more and more executive orders to push things through. That doesn’t inherently make them bad.
    - chris_wot 2y ago
      Because your democracy is being run by fiat, and many of those Executive Orders are batshit insane, or just plain illegal. And you seem to be OK with this.
      - adamtaylor_13 2y ago
        Pretty sure not a single XO has been illegal. If you’d like to supply some proof I’d be more than happy to look at it. I’d be curious which orders you personally find to be “batshit insane?”
        unsnap_biceps 2y ago
        The funding one was halted by a federal judge saying it was blatantly unconstitutional. That counts as illegal IMHO. That's the only one I'm aware of at this time, but there's in the high 10's of lawsuits in progress, so there's time for others to be found similarly. I suspect the Christian only faith department would also count as illegal eventually.
        chris_wot 2y ago
        His Executive Order blocking birthright citzenship was blocked. And that is batshit insane - literally thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) would suddenly be affected by that EO. And DOGE. You know they are going in and changing safety systems at the FAA, right? Insane.
  - beanjuiceII 2y ago
    its really not that many (yet) and even so its unlikely he will catch up to the top
avalys 2y ago
What do you think it is? What do you think is motivating Musk?
- Atotalnoob 2y ago
  Fascism.
- XorNot 2y ago
  I don't know but it sure is interesting that White House is saying Elon Musk will now be reviewing his own conflicts of interest [1] as a man heavily invested in companies with large government contracts or beneficiaries of government incentive schemes. Or maybe it's just too avoid having to worry about sexually harassing his employees[2]. [1] https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-musk-conflict-interest-doge-1235257829/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-mus... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flight-attendant-who-accused-elon-musk-of-sexual-misconduct-2022-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flig...
- pwg 2y ago
  For USAID, the fact that USAID was investigating him: https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-enemy-usaid-was-investigating-starlink-over-its-contracts-in-ukraine-2000559365 https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-enemy-usaid-was-investigating... His attack on USAID was not "rooting out waste", it was to settle a personal vendetta against the agency.
  - adamtaylor_13 2y ago
    This is silly. USAID was investigating the usage of Starlink in Ukraine, which by the way Musk provided completely free of charge at a time when no one else was doing anything for Ukraine. DOGE found that USAID has actually spent taxpayer dollars to funding terrorists. I have no idea how we try to connect these dots to be “personal”. USAID was a sham and it’s been exposed.
    - tomrod 2y ago

I’ve heard lots of people say that, and you’re entitled to that opinion. But I have yet to hear a single coherent argument explaining why that’s the case. I’m open minded but so far all I’ve heard is Musk/Trump haters clanging the alarm that somehow they’re going to take over the government or ruin America or whatever. With no explanation and no facts to back it up.

chris_wot 2y ago
The evidence is fairly smacking you in the face. Have you seen the number of Executive Orders that Trump has been signing? Many of which are almost certainly to be overturned?
- adamtaylor_13 2y ago
  Yes, what does signing a lot of executive orders have to do with it? Historically-speaking American presidents are using more and more executive orders to push things through. That doesn’t inherently make them bad.
  - chris_wot 2y ago
    Because your democracy is being run by fiat, and many of those Executive Orders are batshit insane, or just plain illegal. And you seem to be OK with this.
    - adamtaylor_13 2y ago
      Pretty sure not a single XO has been illegal. If you’d like to supply some proof I’d be more than happy to look at it. I’d be curious which orders you personally find to be “batshit insane?”
      - unsnap_biceps 2y ago
        The funding one was halted by a federal judge saying it was blatantly unconstitutional. That counts as illegal IMHO. That's the only one I'm aware of at this time, but there's in the high 10's of lawsuits in progress, so there's time for others to be found similarly. I suspect the Christian only faith department would also count as illegal eventually.
      - chris_wot 2y ago
        His Executive Order blocking birthright citzenship was blocked. And that is batshit insane - literally thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) would suddenly be affected by that EO. And DOGE. You know they are going in and changing safety systems at the FAA, right? Insane.
- beanjuiceII 2y ago
  its really not that many (yet) and even so its unlikely he will catch up to the top

avalys 2y ago

What do you think it is? What do you think is motivating Musk?

Atotalnoob 2y ago
Fascism.
XorNot 2y ago
I don't know but it sure is interesting that White House is saying Elon Musk will now be reviewing his own conflicts of interest [1] as a man heavily invested in companies with large government contracts or beneficiaries of government incentive schemes. Or maybe it's just too avoid having to worry about sexually harassing his employees[2]. [1] https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-musk-conflict-interest-doge-1235257829/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-mus... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flight-attendant-who-accused-elon-musk-of-sexual-misconduct-2022-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flig...
pwg 2y ago
For USAID, the fact that USAID was investigating him: https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-enemy-usaid-was-investigating-starlink-over-its-contracts-in-ukraine-2000559365 https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-enemy-usaid-was-investigating... His attack on USAID was not "rooting out waste", it was to settle a personal vendetta against the agency.
- adamtaylor_13 2y ago
  This is silly. USAID was investigating the usage of Starlink in Ukraine, which by the way Musk provided completely free of charge at a time when no one else was doing anything for Ukraine. DOGE found that USAID has actually spent taxpayer dollars to funding terrorists. I have no idea how we try to connect these dots to be “personal”. USAID was a sham and it’s been exposed.
  - tomrod 2y ago