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Are you forced to use Face ID then? Why do they not use an in screen ultrasonic sensor for fingerprints I wonder?

SOLAR_FIELDS 2y ago
You can always just use password unlock. Face ID is not a requirement to use the phone. It’s just a convenience. As to why the in screen fingerprint reader is not an option, obviously there was some sort of conscious decision to not go that route. I can’t tell whether that decision was motivated by money or by desire for good UX. Probably both
kalleboo 2y ago
Did they ever manage to make the in-screen sensors secure? I remember seeing articles for the early generations where they were easy to trick.
lern_too_spel 2y ago
Because they would have to pay Qualcomm for it.
CrimsonRain 2y ago
Because face id is way better. I have yet to meet anyone with phones where in screen finger print work reliably. Works. Works. Then suddenly fails many times in a row and they get visibly frustrated.
- red369 2y ago
  Just one anecdote, but I've reliably used fingerprint unlocking since the iPhone 5S all the way up until a few days ago when I switched to an iPhone 13 mini. Facetime doesn't actually feel more convenient to me. Oh - I thought I was going to be providing you with one counter-example, but I've just thought of something which means I'll have to switch to agreeing with you. When it's raining and my fingers are even slightly wet, it's all over for fingerprint unlocking for me.
  - mft_ 2y ago
    You misunderstood; the previous poster was talking about in-screen fingerprint sensors, not those found in older and SE iPhones.
    - red369 2y ago
      I'm late seeing your reply, but thanks for pointing that out. I did miss that when replying. And also, thanks for not making me feel stupid for not reading more carefully! HN is better than most of the web for giving benefit of the doubt, etc. but still... thanks.
  - CrimsonRain 2y ago
    the non-screen finger print ones are quite good except during rain or if you are wearing gloves. I wish iphones came with both faceid and a finger print on side button.

You can always just use password unlock. Face ID is not a requirement to use the phone. It’s just a convenience. As to why the in screen fingerprint reader is not an option, obviously there was some sort of conscious decision to not go that route. I can’t tell whether that decision was motivated by money or by desire for good UX. Probably both

kalleboo 2y ago

Did they ever manage to make the in-screen sensors secure? I remember seeing articles for the early generations where they were easy to trick.

lern_too_spel 2y ago

Because they would have to pay Qualcomm for it.

CrimsonRain 2y ago

Because face id is way better. I have yet to meet anyone with phones where in screen finger print work reliably. Works. Works. Then suddenly fails many times in a row and they get visibly frustrated.

red369 2y ago
Just one anecdote, but I've reliably used fingerprint unlocking since the iPhone 5S all the way up until a few days ago when I switched to an iPhone 13 mini. Facetime doesn't actually feel more convenient to me. Oh - I thought I was going to be providing you with one counter-example, but I've just thought of something which means I'll have to switch to agreeing with you. When it's raining and my fingers are even slightly wet, it's all over for fingerprint unlocking for me.
- mft_ 2y ago
  You misunderstood; the previous poster was talking about in-screen fingerprint sensors, not those found in older and SE iPhones.
  - red369 2y ago
    I'm late seeing your reply, but thanks for pointing that out. I did miss that when replying. And also, thanks for not making me feel stupid for not reading more carefully! HN is better than most of the web for giving benefit of the doubt, etc. but still... thanks.
- CrimsonRain 2y ago
  the non-screen finger print ones are quite good except during rain or if you are wearing gloves. I wish iphones came with both faceid and a finger print on side button.