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New iPhone SE Coming Soon

21 points by hedora 2y ago

hedora 2y ago
It looks like they're removing touch id and making the screen bigger. I wonder how long until they start refusing to repair the SE 3 or Mini's.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  Are you forced to use Face ID then? Why do they not use an in screen ultrasonic sensor for fingerprints I wonder?
  - SOLAR_FIELDS 2y ago
    You can always just use password unlock. Face ID is not a requirement to use the phone. It’s just a convenience. As to why the in screen fingerprint reader is not an option, obviously there was some sort of conscious decision to not go that route. I can’t tell whether that decision was motivated by money or by desire for good UX. Probably both
  - kalleboo 2y ago
    Did they ever manage to make the in-screen sensors secure? I remember seeing articles for the early generations where they were easy to trick.
  - lern_too_spel 2y ago
    Because they would have to pay Qualcomm for it.
  - CrimsonRain 2y ago
    Because face id is way better. I have yet to meet anyone with phones where in screen finger print work reliably. Works. Works. Then suddenly fails many times in a row and they get visibly frustrated.
    - red369 2y ago
      Just one anecdote, but I've reliably used fingerprint unlocking since the iPhone 5S all the way up until a few days ago when I switched to an iPhone 13 mini. Facetime doesn't actually feel more convenient to me. Oh - I thought I was going to be providing you with one counter-example, but I've just thought of something which means I'll have to switch to agreeing with you. When it's raining and my fingers are even slightly wet, it's all over for fingerprint unlocking for me.
      - mft_ 2y ago
        You misunderstood; the previous poster was talking about in-screen fingerprint sensors, not those found in older and SE iPhones.
        red369 2y ago
        I'm late seeing your reply, but thanks for pointing that out. I did miss that when replying. And also, thanks for not making me feel stupid for not reading more carefully! HN is better than most of the web for giving benefit of the doubt, etc. but still... thanks.
      - CrimsonRain 2y ago
        the non-screen finger print ones are quite good except during rain or if you are wearing gloves. I wish iphones came with both faceid and a finger print on side button.
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- 42772827 2y ago
  For iPhone 13 Mini: September 2030 For iPhone SE3: Assuming they stop selling it tomorrow, February 2032. That’s when they become officially obsolete. 2 years prior, repairs only if they have the parts.
  - crossroadsguy 2y ago
    Is there a third party 13 Mini battery that packs more (some kind of) compressed juice (at least 3.5K? slightly more than my current 14)? :D I rant about iPhone size a lot but honestly given the choice of dealing with same day by evening/afternoon battery drain or a much bigger phone with better battery I'd choose the latter. My iPhone 12 Mini battery was a horror story and I didn't even use much. That's why I took iPhone 14 even though if I wanted I could find iPhone 13 Mini online. But if they have two phones with same battery capacity and the smaller phone is costlier and also maybe a little less capable than the bigger phone I'd still buy it.
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jghn 2y ago
All I want is a replacement for my mini. Was waiting for a new SE figuring that’d be a reasonable substitute. Instead they roll out a phablet. Sigh.
- hedora 2y ago
  The SE3 is surprisingly capable, though it doesn’t have the ultra wide band radio, which means it can’t be used as a car key for one of our cars. (The 13 mini has that radio, but the car key feature is too unreliable to be useful.)
- grandpoobah 2y ago
  You'd think they'd chuck us a mini every few generations to keep us locked in. If my 13 mini dies I'll definitely be considering my non-Apple options.
  - BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
    > If my 13 mini dies I'll definitely be considering my non-Apple options. I just can't imagine ever going back to Android though after switching to iOS a few years ago. If my 13 mini dies I think I'm going to cross my fingers and hope that another used one is still viable. Or maybe start carrying my phone on a shoulder strap instead of in my pocket. I don't know. The situation is unpleasant to contemplate.
    - wruza 2y ago
      As someone who tried, this “I’ll just go android” is just a dream. I almost threw it into the wall a few times while using it for around eight months. Returning to iphone felt like working with kittens after a year of insurance company clerk burnout. No one itt goes android.
- crossroadsguy 2y ago
  I have made peace with it. It's not coming. When I look around me - the number of people who want a small sized phone is exactly zero. The ship has sailed. I will still buy an SE if it's much cheaper than the base iPhone model and just one version old (on most hardware and doesn't have to be as powerful as the base iPhone) when my iPhone 14 dies. But seeing they are releasing it in 3 years now (or 4?) I am not sure that SE will be the one-gen-old when I might change my 14. It's been close to 2 years and I still struggle with the size of my iPhone 14 - and to think that this fucking phablet is the smallest iPhone. At this point I am just waiting for a much more affordable simple Android phone (with the OS being OEM-deGoogled and supported for at least 3 years with timely updates). I mean I will buy it even if it's slightly bigger than base iPhone because size was the reason I had bought my first iPhone which was the first SE :)
SOLAR_FIELDS 2y ago
I will miss the loss of the Touch ID. Mainly because of the way I carry my phone (for those that carry phone in jeans front pocket it’s trivial to unlock your phone in the same motion you pull it out of your pocket), but in my personal opinion Touch ID is also more secure. It’s easier to point a phone at someone’s face than it is to force them to place their thumb in a specific area. Good security understands the tradeoff of usability. I have felt for a long while that Touch ID did quite well on riding that balance, and that Face ID moves more toward UX at the sacrifice of security
- ak217 2y ago
  Personally I think FaceID is a big step backwards in terms of both security and usability.
- wruza 2y ago
  Touch button area also serves as a holding point (e.g. for a pinky finger or a thumb base) that doesn’t touch the screen. When I bought my SE, my buddy bought 13 mini, which had full-surface touch. Our every telegram discussion ended in him “recording audio” because you cannot exit an app without touching screen at bottom-right with the meaty base of your thumb. I was happy I went SE. I also bought a non-frameless tablet for my grandma for the same reason, because people have to firmly hold devices without touching the screen somehow. Her previous tablet had thin frames and every time she wanted to show something to me, it “oh, flew away again”, because she touched the screen. Modern design is done by people who value only form without even thinking of function. This is pure idiocy, literally as in idiocracy movie. Same for this new SE which is just an iphone now, cause they can’t help but idiot it.
- jimmydoe 2y ago
  I use phone in dark a lot, face unlocking is painful.
  - jdlshore 2y ago
    The iPhone uses an infrared 3D camera and array of infrared dots. It works fine in the dark. I just tried it.
floydnoel 2y ago
a smart home hub, eh? that will be a gas
mikestew 2y ago
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21 points by hedora 2y ago

It looks like they're removing touch id and making the screen bigger. I wonder how long until they start refusing to repair the SE 3 or Mini's.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
Are you forced to use Face ID then? Why do they not use an in screen ultrasonic sensor for fingerprints I wonder?
- SOLAR_FIELDS 2y ago
  You can always just use password unlock. Face ID is not a requirement to use the phone. It’s just a convenience. As to why the in screen fingerprint reader is not an option, obviously there was some sort of conscious decision to not go that route. I can’t tell whether that decision was motivated by money or by desire for good UX. Probably both
- kalleboo 2y ago
  Did they ever manage to make the in-screen sensors secure? I remember seeing articles for the early generations where they were easy to trick.
- lern_too_spel 2y ago
  Because they would have to pay Qualcomm for it.
- CrimsonRain 2y ago
  Because face id is way better. I have yet to meet anyone with phones where in screen finger print work reliably. Works. Works. Then suddenly fails many times in a row and they get visibly frustrated.
  - red369 2y ago
    Just one anecdote, but I've reliably used fingerprint unlocking since the iPhone 5S all the way up until a few days ago when I switched to an iPhone 13 mini. Facetime doesn't actually feel more convenient to me. Oh - I thought I was going to be providing you with one counter-example, but I've just thought of something which means I'll have to switch to agreeing with you. When it's raining and my fingers are even slightly wet, it's all over for fingerprint unlocking for me.
    - mft_ 2y ago
      You misunderstood; the previous poster was talking about in-screen fingerprint sensors, not those found in older and SE iPhones.
      - red369 2y ago
        I'm late seeing your reply, but thanks for pointing that out. I did miss that when replying. And also, thanks for not making me feel stupid for not reading more carefully! HN is better than most of the web for giving benefit of the doubt, etc. but still... thanks.
    - CrimsonRain 2y ago
      the non-screen finger print ones are quite good except during rain or if you are wearing gloves. I wish iphones came with both faceid and a finger print on side button.
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42772827 2y ago
For iPhone 13 Mini: September 2030 For iPhone SE3: Assuming they stop selling it tomorrow, February 2032. That’s when they become officially obsolete. 2 years prior, repairs only if they have the parts.
- crossroadsguy 2y ago
  Is there a third party 13 Mini battery that packs more (some kind of) compressed juice (at least 3.5K? slightly more than my current 14)? :D I rant about iPhone size a lot but honestly given the choice of dealing with same day by evening/afternoon battery drain or a much bigger phone with better battery I'd choose the latter. My iPhone 12 Mini battery was a horror story and I didn't even use much. That's why I took iPhone 14 even though if I wanted I could find iPhone 13 Mini online. But if they have two phones with same battery capacity and the smaller phone is costlier and also maybe a little less capable than the bigger phone I'd still buy it.

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jghn 2y ago

All I want is a replacement for my mini. Was waiting for a new SE figuring that’d be a reasonable substitute. Instead they roll out a phablet. Sigh.

hedora 2y ago
The SE3 is surprisingly capable, though it doesn’t have the ultra wide band radio, which means it can’t be used as a car key for one of our cars. (The 13 mini has that radio, but the car key feature is too unreliable to be useful.)
grandpoobah 2y ago
You'd think they'd chuck us a mini every few generations to keep us locked in. If my 13 mini dies I'll definitely be considering my non-Apple options.
- BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
  > If my 13 mini dies I'll definitely be considering my non-Apple options. I just can't imagine ever going back to Android though after switching to iOS a few years ago. If my 13 mini dies I think I'm going to cross my fingers and hope that another used one is still viable. Or maybe start carrying my phone on a shoulder strap instead of in my pocket. I don't know. The situation is unpleasant to contemplate.
  - wruza 2y ago
    As someone who tried, this “I’ll just go android” is just a dream. I almost threw it into the wall a few times while using it for around eight months. Returning to iphone felt like working with kittens after a year of insurance company clerk burnout. No one itt goes android.
crossroadsguy 2y ago
I have made peace with it. It's not coming. When I look around me - the number of people who want a small sized phone is exactly zero. The ship has sailed. I will still buy an SE if it's much cheaper than the base iPhone model and just one version old (on most hardware and doesn't have to be as powerful as the base iPhone) when my iPhone 14 dies. But seeing they are releasing it in 3 years now (or 4?) I am not sure that SE will be the one-gen-old when I might change my 14. It's been close to 2 years and I still struggle with the size of my iPhone 14 - and to think that this fucking phablet is the smallest iPhone. At this point I am just waiting for a much more affordable simple Android phone (with the OS being OEM-deGoogled and supported for at least 3 years with timely updates). I mean I will buy it even if it's slightly bigger than base iPhone because size was the reason I had bought my first iPhone which was the first SE :)

SOLAR_FIELDS 2y ago

I will miss the loss of the Touch ID. Mainly because of the way I carry my phone (for those that carry phone in jeans front pocket it’s trivial to unlock your phone in the same motion you pull it out of your pocket), but in my personal opinion Touch ID is also more secure. It’s easier to point a phone at someone’s face than it is to force them to place their thumb in a specific area. Good security understands the tradeoff of usability. I have felt for a long while that Touch ID did quite well on riding that balance, and that Face ID moves more toward UX at the sacrifice of security

ak217 2y ago
Personally I think FaceID is a big step backwards in terms of both security and usability.
wruza 2y ago
Touch button area also serves as a holding point (e.g. for a pinky finger or a thumb base) that doesn’t touch the screen. When I bought my SE, my buddy bought 13 mini, which had full-surface touch. Our every telegram discussion ended in him “recording audio” because you cannot exit an app without touching screen at bottom-right with the meaty base of your thumb. I was happy I went SE. I also bought a non-frameless tablet for my grandma for the same reason, because people have to firmly hold devices without touching the screen somehow. Her previous tablet had thin frames and every time she wanted to show something to me, it “oh, flew away again”, because she touched the screen. Modern design is done by people who value only form without even thinking of function. This is pure idiocy, literally as in idiocracy movie. Same for this new SE which is just an iphone now, cause they can’t help but idiot it.
jimmydoe 2y ago
I use phone in dark a lot, face unlocking is painful.
- jdlshore 2y ago
  The iPhone uses an infrared 3D camera and array of infrared dots. It works fine in the dark. I just tried it.

floydnoel 2y ago

a smart home hub, eh? that will be a gas

mikestew 2y ago

https://archive.ph/r0bvx https://archive.ph/r0bvx