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He doesn't have clearance. They march into the offices, demand access, whoever is there says "no", then that person gets fired (placed "on leave") ten minutes

by zzzeek 2y ago

He doesn't have clearance. They march into the offices, demand access, whoever is there says "no", then that person gets fired (placed "on leave") ten minutes later. Rinse and repeat.

metalman 2y ago
"This is why it's an illegal coup." Vs ? what? a legal coup? or the other varietys like these agencies under scruteny fund worldwide?
- davkan 2y ago
  A coup is a sudden takeover or upset, it does not have to be illegal, though it is usually understood to be.
runjake 2y ago
Musk has, and has had, top secret security clearance for years, due to his SpaceX work launching spy satellites for the US government.
- kccoder 2y ago
  The president has top secret clearance and doesn't have access to personal tax returns. I don't believe there is a blanket "all things included" security clearance.
  - throwaway784989 2y ago
    This is correct. There is no "you get access to everything" kind of clearance. That includes the President. Congress has the power to get access to anything, but even then there is a tight process limited to a handful of congresspeople. A core part of this sort of security is compartmentalization. A person who has "top secret" level clearance has it for specific subject matter. Their clearance is worthless if they're outside those boundaries.
    - ModernMech 2y ago
      That's not quite right: "The President of the United States will be given access to any government or military information that they request, even if they would not otherwise be able to normally obtain a security clearance were they not the President." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_security_clearance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_security_clearan... Trump essentially granted Musk his presidential clearance. If Musk hits any resistance to classified information, Trump can just access it and hand it to Musk. If it's a crime to do so, Trump can declassify it, pardon Musk, or just instruct his DOJ not to charge him.
  - runjake 2y ago
    I was merely answering the parent's comment, which they seem to have significantly edited after the fact. But no, there is no "all things included" security clearance. And you're right, POTUS does not normally have access to tax returns information, per 26 U.S.C. § 6103: https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-26-internal-revenue-code/26-usc-sect-6103/ https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-26-internal-revenue-code/...

by zzzeek 2y ago

He doesn't have clearance. They march into the offices, demand access, whoever is there says "no", then that person gets fired (placed "on leave") ten minutes later. Rinse and repeat.

metalman 2y ago

"This is why it's an illegal coup." Vs ? what? a legal coup? or the other varietys like these agencies under scruteny fund worldwide?

davkan 2y ago
A coup is a sudden takeover or upset, it does not have to be illegal, though it is usually understood to be.

runjake 2y ago

Musk has, and has had, top secret security clearance for years, due to his SpaceX work launching spy satellites for the US government.

kccoder 2y ago
The president has top secret clearance and doesn't have access to personal tax returns. I don't believe there is a blanket "all things included" security clearance.
- throwaway784989 2y ago
  This is correct. There is no "you get access to everything" kind of clearance. That includes the President. Congress has the power to get access to anything, but even then there is a tight process limited to a handful of congresspeople. A core part of this sort of security is compartmentalization. A person who has "top secret" level clearance has it for specific subject matter. Their clearance is worthless if they're outside those boundaries.
  - ModernMech 2y ago
    That's not quite right: "The President of the United States will be given access to any government or military information that they request, even if they would not otherwise be able to normally obtain a security clearance were they not the President." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_security_clearance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_security_clearan... Trump essentially granted Musk his presidential clearance. If Musk hits any resistance to classified information, Trump can just access it and hand it to Musk. If it's a crime to do so, Trump can declassify it, pardon Musk, or just instruct his DOJ not to charge him.
- runjake 2y ago
  I was merely answering the parent's comment, which they seem to have significantly edited after the fact. But no, there is no "all things included" security clearance. And you're right, POTUS does not normally have access to tax returns information, per 26 U.S.C. § 6103: https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-26-internal-revenue-code/26-usc-sect-6103/ https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-26-internal-revenue-code/...