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>What is wrong with IRC and mailing lists that everyone jumped to Discord? You're looking at it from the perspective of a chat Participant instead of an Owner/

by jasode 2y ago

>What is wrong with IRC and mailing lists that everyone jumped to Discord? You're looking at it from the perspective of a chat Participant instead of an Owner/Administrator. For the owners+admins, the other alternatives of IRC, email mailing lists, forum software like vBulletin, phpBB, etc require extra work of provisioning a server and maintaining it. From the perspective of the chat topic owner, Discord is the simpler than any of the above. Just click "Add A Server (+)" and start sending out invites in seconds. (https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/204849977-How-do-I-create-a-server https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/204849977-How-...) In other words, the tradeoff is it's more hassle for some participants (like you) but it's less hassle for the topic administrator. Another feature that's important to some Administrators that's not easily available on a self-hosted IRC server is blocking bots or lower-quality participants via Discord's "Verification Level": https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/216679607-Verification-Levels https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/216679607-Veri... Turning that knob will also annoy some potential participants. EDIT ADD a link to help illustrate the reply about "RBAC" implemented in Discord: https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/214836687-Discord-Roles-and-Permissions https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/214836687-Disc...

daheza 2y ago
Discord also has implemented an RBAC system that makes permissioning simple.
ivanmontillam 2y ago
Yes, but if that's going to alienate me, I'm not going to join that Discord server. Note: I just deleted Discord from my computer.
- jasode 2y ago
  >, but if that's going to alienate me, I'm not going to join that Discord server. Of course! Your preference is understandable but it just means the owner/admin can't make everybody happy. Your rejection of Discord because the admin chose it must be weighed against the following factors: (1) you also can't join an IRC chat that doesn't exist because the owner/admin has no interest in the extra work of setting up an IRC node. E.g. the open source code project maintainer has no interest (or wants to spend money) on provisioning a server to run IRC software. The money problem & hosting provisioning problem is solved by the owner/admin just using Discord. (2) there are other users that prefer Discord because they already have the login for other purposes (gaming, art, etc). Millions of users already have the Discord app on their phone. No need for users to hunt down an IRC client. The owner/admin doesn't want to alienate them. So to make users like ivanmontillam more happy, it requires making the owner/admin and the other users less happy because they don't want to use IRC. That's the tradeoff.

by jasode 2y ago

daheza 2y ago

Discord also has implemented an RBAC system that makes permissioning simple.

ivanmontillam 2y ago

Yes, but if that's going to alienate me, I'm not going to join that Discord server. Note: I just deleted Discord from my computer.

jasode 2y ago
>, but if that's going to alienate me, I'm not going to join that Discord server. Of course! Your preference is understandable but it just means the owner/admin can't make everybody happy. Your rejection of Discord because the admin chose it must be weighed against the following factors: (1) you also can't join an IRC chat that doesn't exist because the owner/admin has no interest in the extra work of setting up an IRC node. E.g. the open source code project maintainer has no interest (or wants to spend money) on provisioning a server to run IRC software. The money problem & hosting provisioning problem is solved by the owner/admin just using Discord. (2) there are other users that prefer Discord because they already have the login for other purposes (gaming, art, etc). Millions of users already have the Discord app on their phone. No need for users to hunt down an IRC client. The owner/admin doesn't want to alienate them. So to make users like ivanmontillam more happy, it requires making the owner/admin and the other users less happy because they don't want to use IRC. That's the tradeoff.