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I wonder if cloudflare blocks like these affect screen reader users, in which case they may violate the ADA.

dragontamer 2y ago
And if they did violate the ADA, do you seriously expect this administration's anti-DEI Department of Justice to pursue legal action?
- decremental 2y ago
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- gosub100 2y ago
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  - Analemma_ 2y ago
    I can find you literally hundreds of posts from people insisting that ADA is nothing but a small-business-killing shakedown, that it's makework for lawyers, that it's doing nothing to help the disabled, and that it's just as bad if not worse than DEI. What makes your claim better than theirs?
    - gosub100 2y ago
      I call your bluff. Do it.
      - vscapitalx 2y ago
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/gusalexiou/2023/06/30/website-accessibility-lawsuits-rising-exponentially-in-2023-according-to-latest-data/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/gusalexiou/2023/06/30/website-a... https://www.the215guys.com/blog/ada-lawsuits-targeting-websites-facing-scrutiny/ https://www.the215guys.com/blog/ada-lawsuits-targeting-websi...
        gosub100 2y ago
        the first link had one comment in support of the move, and a single, dissenting (yet reasonable) reply.2nd article had no comments whatsoever. Remember, the claim I'm responding to was "literally hundreds of posts from people insisting that ADA is nothing but a small-business-killing shakedown, that it's makework for lawyers, that it's doing nothing to help the disabled"
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
      > What makes your claim better than theirs? Well, for starters it's not so absolute: > it's doing nothing to help the disabled It's obviously doing something for the disabled. Reserved disabled parking spots and wheelchair-accessible building entrances are requirements of the ADA. It seems reasonable to think it "improves people's lives". A whole bunch of contrary opinions are not necessarily reasons for disagreement as much as they are simply disagreement.
      - fsckboy 2y ago
        I've no problem with the govt making sure that disabled people get accommodation so they can participate in civic life. I do have a problem with the govt requiring private individuals to pay for it, "handle the load", etc. even engaged in public accommodation: because it's obvious that a 20,000 sq ft publicly trade Delaware class C corp retailer has room for ramps and generous allocations of space around swinging doors, bathrooms etc. But if I rent a 500 sq foot postage stamp shop in NYC to open my dream counter service juice store which is a step up from the sidewalk, it's just too much of a burden for a new business of which 9 out of 10 fail anyway. You think juice store owners have anything against disabled people? they don't. We all need to pay for it, not pass feel good legislation that shoves it down the throats of sole proprieter LLCs.
      - what 2y ago
        >reserved disabled parking spots I’ve never seen an actually disabled person use one. They’re always occupied by cars with placards but the people are pretty clearly abled or able enough to walk across the parking lot.
    - 1shooner 2y ago
      >it's doing nothing to help the disabled I make you a deal: Instead of hundreds of posts from random people, find me just 50 posts from disabled people that agree with this.
  - dragontamer 2y ago
    You seriously think this administration gives a care about the disabled? They're already firing accessibility people in the government. https://www.aclu.org/news/racial-justice/trumps-executive-orders-rolling-back-dei-and-accessibility-efforts-explained https://www.aclu.org/news/racial-justice/trumps-executive-or... Right there in the executive orders. They're literally rolling back accessibility and making this a policy. Read the EO yourself. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/ending-radical-and-wasteful-government-dei-programs-and-preferencing/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/endi...
    - Yeul 2y ago
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- pc86 2y ago
  Yes because accessibility and DEI are different despite partisans' attempts to make "DEIA" a real thing.
  - dragontamer 2y ago
    Trump's team is rolling back DEIA already. Did you read the executive order? It's not the left calling it DEIA. Its Trump. > Sec. 2. Implementation. (a) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), assisted by the Attorney General and the Director of the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), shall coordinate the termination of all discriminatory programs, including illegal DEI and “diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility” (DEIA) mandates, policies, programs, preferences, and activities in the Federal Government, under whatever name they appear. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/ending-radical-and-wasteful-government-dei-programs-and-preferencing/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/endi...
    - pc86 2y ago
      Because it's a pretty simple legal maneuver to say "no this EO isn't requiring us to shut down this program because we call it 'DEIA' instead of 'DEI' so it's different." The EO is using the language of the programs to ensure that they're shut down. Accessibility has been around forever. One of the major proponents of it was a Republican nominee for President. It has broad bipartisan support. DEI has been around for 45 minutes and is racism disguised as anti-racism.
  - fsckboy 2y ago
    I'm not expert on this, but it appears that the Dept of Justice rolls DEI and A into one DEIA, which makes some sort of sense since any litigation would be similar. Not sure about other federal agencies https://www.justice.gov/archives/jmd/diversity-equity-inclusion-and-accessibility-deia https://www.justice.gov/archives/jmd/diversity-equity-inclus...
  - TRiG_Ireland 2y ago
    So why is the Trump administration also removing accessibility features from government websites, and firing ASL interpreters?
samspot 2y ago
In my experience, screen reader users stick to the mainstream browsers to preserve compatibility. https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey10/ https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey10/

And if they did violate the ADA, do you seriously expect this administration's anti-DEI Department of Justice to pursue legal action?

decremental 2y ago
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gosub100 2y ago
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- Analemma_ 2y ago
  I can find you literally hundreds of posts from people insisting that ADA is nothing but a small-business-killing shakedown, that it's makework for lawyers, that it's doing nothing to help the disabled, and that it's just as bad if not worse than DEI. What makes your claim better than theirs?
  - gosub100 2y ago
    I call your bluff. Do it.
    - vscapitalx 2y ago
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/gusalexiou/2023/06/30/website-accessibility-lawsuits-rising-exponentially-in-2023-according-to-latest-data/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/gusalexiou/2023/06/30/website-a... https://www.the215guys.com/blog/ada-lawsuits-targeting-websites-facing-scrutiny/ https://www.the215guys.com/blog/ada-lawsuits-targeting-websi...
      - gosub100 2y ago
        the first link had one comment in support of the move, and a single, dissenting (yet reasonable) reply.2nd article had no comments whatsoever. Remember, the claim I'm responding to was "literally hundreds of posts from people insisting that ADA is nothing but a small-business-killing shakedown, that it's makework for lawyers, that it's doing nothing to help the disabled"
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
    > What makes your claim better than theirs? Well, for starters it's not so absolute: > it's doing nothing to help the disabled It's obviously doing something for the disabled. Reserved disabled parking spots and wheelchair-accessible building entrances are requirements of the ADA. It seems reasonable to think it "improves people's lives". A whole bunch of contrary opinions are not necessarily reasons for disagreement as much as they are simply disagreement.
    - fsckboy 2y ago
      I've no problem with the govt making sure that disabled people get accommodation so they can participate in civic life. I do have a problem with the govt requiring private individuals to pay for it, "handle the load", etc. even engaged in public accommodation: because it's obvious that a 20,000 sq ft publicly trade Delaware class C corp retailer has room for ramps and generous allocations of space around swinging doors, bathrooms etc. But if I rent a 500 sq foot postage stamp shop in NYC to open my dream counter service juice store which is a step up from the sidewalk, it's just too much of a burden for a new business of which 9 out of 10 fail anyway. You think juice store owners have anything against disabled people? they don't. We all need to pay for it, not pass feel good legislation that shoves it down the throats of sole proprieter LLCs.
    - what 2y ago
      >reserved disabled parking spots I’ve never seen an actually disabled person use one. They’re always occupied by cars with placards but the people are pretty clearly abled or able enough to walk across the parking lot.
  - 1shooner 2y ago
    >it's doing nothing to help the disabled I make you a deal: Instead of hundreds of posts from random people, find me just 50 posts from disabled people that agree with this.
- dragontamer 2y ago
  You seriously think this administration gives a care about the disabled? They're already firing accessibility people in the government. https://www.aclu.org/news/racial-justice/trumps-executive-orders-rolling-back-dei-and-accessibility-efforts-explained https://www.aclu.org/news/racial-justice/trumps-executive-or... Right there in the executive orders. They're literally rolling back accessibility and making this a policy. Read the EO yourself. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/ending-radical-and-wasteful-government-dei-programs-and-preferencing/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/endi...
  - Yeul 2y ago
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pc86 2y ago
Yes because accessibility and DEI are different despite partisans' attempts to make "DEIA" a real thing.
- dragontamer 2y ago
  Trump's team is rolling back DEIA already. Did you read the executive order? It's not the left calling it DEIA. Its Trump. > Sec. 2. Implementation. (a) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), assisted by the Attorney General and the Director of the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), shall coordinate the termination of all discriminatory programs, including illegal DEI and “diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility” (DEIA) mandates, policies, programs, preferences, and activities in the Federal Government, under whatever name they appear. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/ending-radical-and-wasteful-government-dei-programs-and-preferencing/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/endi...
  - pc86 2y ago
    Because it's a pretty simple legal maneuver to say "no this EO isn't requiring us to shut down this program because we call it 'DEIA' instead of 'DEI' so it's different." The EO is using the language of the programs to ensure that they're shut down. Accessibility has been around forever. One of the major proponents of it was a Republican nominee for President. It has broad bipartisan support. DEI has been around for 45 minutes and is racism disguised as anti-racism.
- fsckboy 2y ago
  I'm not expert on this, but it appears that the Dept of Justice rolls DEI and A into one DEIA, which makes some sort of sense since any litigation would be similar. Not sure about other federal agencies https://www.justice.gov/archives/jmd/diversity-equity-inclusion-and-accessibility-deia https://www.justice.gov/archives/jmd/diversity-equity-inclus...
- TRiG_Ireland 2y ago
  So why is the Trump administration also removing accessibility features from government websites, and firing ASL interpreters?

samspot 2y ago

In my experience, screen reader users stick to the mainstream browsers to preserve compatibility. https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey10/ https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey10/