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> that the client spies on you and that data is (part of) your payment. What value do you think this click tracking data has? I'm genuinely curious. To me this

by bri3d 2y ago

> that the client spies on you and that data is (part of) your payment. What value do you think this click tracking data has? I'm genuinely curious. To me this seems like Product Manager Telemetry, which is still an insidious and pervasive privacy problem (see: Microsoft Windows), but I can't quite understand how this is a You Are the Product situation. What purchaser is going want to buy data about where people are clicking on the Discord client? What value does this provide them? > Also their desktop client is literally a remote administration toolkit, it has full access to FS (electron app) and it loads every script from their servers. A full-fledged desktop app could also load code from a server and execute it. Or just install an "automatic update." If you're worried about this kind of thing you should be sandboxing every application that can access the Internet.

thomastjeffery 2y ago
It doesn't matter how much value it has. If you pay in dollars, and suddenly the dollar is deflated to way less value than the euro, you have still payed.
superkuh 2y ago
Normal applications do not completely replace themselves every time they are run. I hope you can see the difference. It's easy to see that the files in an actual application running on your OS don't change. It's much harder when there are no files and everything is downloaded anew every time you start the application. Totally different than "automatic updates" of actual applications.
RunSet 2y ago
> the client spies on you and that data is (part of) your payment. >> What value do you think this click tracking data has? That it is collected at all shows that, at least to data miners, a user's data has a value greater than the cost of collecting it.
- bri3d 2y ago
  No, the data is collected for internal use by product managers. It has little value I'm aware of on the open market and is unlikely to be collected for sale. That's my entire point. Enshittification is Bad, yes, but it's also had an even more caustic knock-on effect where a certain subset of people assume every part of every piece of software is part of a gigantic conspiracy against them, and in turn become extremely non-curious about figuring out why and how things work the way they do.

by bri3d 2y ago

thomastjeffery 2y ago

It doesn't matter how much value it has. If you pay in dollars, and suddenly the dollar is deflated to way less value than the euro, you have still payed.

superkuh 2y ago

Normal applications do not completely replace themselves every time they are run. I hope you can see the difference. It's easy to see that the files in an actual application running on your OS don't change. It's much harder when there are no files and everything is downloaded anew every time you start the application. Totally different than "automatic updates" of actual applications.

RunSet 2y ago

> the client spies on you and that data is (part of) your payment. >> What value do you think this click tracking data has? That it is collected at all shows that, at least to data miners, a user's data has a value greater than the cost of collecting it.

bri3d 2y ago
No, the data is collected for internal use by product managers. It has little value I'm aware of on the open market and is unlikely to be collected for sale. That's my entire point. Enshittification is Bad, yes, but it's also had an even more caustic knock-on effect where a certain subset of people assume every part of every piece of software is part of a gigantic conspiracy against them, and in turn become extremely non-curious about figuring out why and how things work the way they do.