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These companies must be trying how far they can go before piracy starts being the easier solution again.

by gherkinnn 2y ago

hotpocket777 2y ago
It already is
- sparsely 2y ago
  For example subtitles are terrible on most major streaming services, either don't exist, or are only available in one language. Sometimes they don't even have the original audio track, only a dubbed one! Piracy ensures that multi-language families can happily watch a movie together.
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
    I don't disagree, but finding content in Italian through official or side channels is always hard. Which is sad, because it's one of the ways I make sure my kids get enough Italian exposure (we emigrated)
randunel 2y ago
The only reason piracy isn't easy is because of TV vendors gatekeeping what software these TVs run. Unless you use Plex, which allows your own content (but still disallows torrent streaming or sharing your analog TV with your users, so not ideal), you're SOL.
- PetitPrince 2y ago
  > Unless you use Plex, which allows your own content [...] you're SOL. ... how about connecting a computer to your TV ? Inconvenient depending on your setup, but not hopeless.
  - spwa4 2y ago
    True. I wish VLC had some sort of interface browser you could use to just create your own netflix interface.
    - Gormo 2y ago
      That's what Kodi is for. Get a cheap Raspberry Pi, install LibreELEC (a minimal Linux distro that boots directly into Kodi), and you've got a turnkey full-featured media center without much cost or effort. It even supports HDMI-CEC so you can navigate on the RasPi using your TV remote.
    - soco 2y ago
      For windows there's still going around the good old Popcorn Time in its hundredth (or so) incarnation...
  - edm0nd 2y ago
    Depending upon the TV type, a lot of them will let you access a networked directory from it and play media directly from it.
- reaperducer 2y ago
  Unless you use Plex, which allows your own content Or just use an AppleTV, which comes with a built-in program called "Computer" that lets you stream your own content from any Mac on the LAN. I have about 400 movies and thousands of TV shows that I stream this way, in subscription-free bliss. The content comes from CDs, DVDs, and Blu-rays from the library or my own purchases; and I have a $20 gadget that records OTA TV shows and movies onto a USB stick.
  - oorza 2y ago
    You don't even need an AppleTV. My Roku and Amazon TVs were both zero-configuration AirPlay targets. And generally speaking, there's not any issue with wifi streaming video - there's a noticeable input lag, but it doesn't desync audio, and videos tend not to be interactive.
    - mezzie2 2y ago
      Yup. I'm introducing my sister to the masterpiece that is Chrono Trigger by playing an emulated version on my Mac streamed to our Roku TV. Works great. Video is even easier.
- dmix 2y ago
  I use https://airflow.app/ https://airflow.app/ and google cast, worked on every tv I've bought for a decade. I've recently gone back to using that 100% of the time and never use Netflix/Disney. Pirate streaming android apps on those TV boxes aren't worth the effort IMO, they are flaky and stream sources die off, torrents are always easier.
  - toraway 2y ago
    Stremio + Torrentio + a debrid service on any Android TV device is by far the easiest method for the average person and is extremely reliable. Just follow a guide on Reddit and you're good to go 20 minutes later with no server needed. Stremio also has apps for some TV OSes like Samsung I believe but haven't tried. I have a whole homelab setup with Plex but switched to Stremio because it's just dead simple, reliable, with a gigantic library. No waiting for downloading either, takes about 10 seconds to start streaming without interruptions. You may be referring to those sketchy pre configured Fire TV sticks sold for 100 bucks or whatever though which are indeed a bad way to go.
- jzb 2y ago
  There's Plex, but also things like Kodi that just turn a PC into a media center. We're in the midst of a move right now - when we settle, a Mini PC is going to replace the streaming box.
  - randunel 2y ago
    Kodi isn't available in the WebOS app library, you probably need to sideload some precompiled app, or even compile it yourself. Plex doesn't need a PC to be installed on the TV, you simply use the remote to download and open the WebOS app.
    - Gormo 2y ago
      Kodi is available as a WebOS app via Homebrew Channel (https://www.webosbrew.org/ https://www.webosbrew.org/) and can be installed through developer mode without even having to root your TV. If you've got some hangup about plugging a video source in your TV -- the way we've always done prior to TV vendors deciding they wanted to not just make the screen but control what's on it -- and would prefer to use a hobbled TV OS running on an underpowered SoC instead of just using a cheap and far superior Rasperry Pi, then, yes, you can indeed still just install Kodi directly onto the TV.
      - randunel 2y ago
        So it's actually worse than I've described, you have to root your TV first...
        Gormo 2y ago
        No, you don't. Re-read my previous comment.
        randunel 2y ago
        The link you shared literally has the following content: Title "Get Started" First card "Root your TV" Description "Jailbreak your TV and install Homebrew Channel. Gain more control over your TV" So, to install Homebrew Channel, as your comment instructs, I'd first need to root my TV. No way are any non devs capable of that. Re-read the link you've shared.
- CaptainZapp 2y ago
  What about just plugging an USB stick with whatever you want to watch into the TV?
  - randunel 2y ago
    The Plex solution makes it as easy as streaming, simply use the remote control whenever you want to watch something. Imagine the USB stick flow from downloading to viewing.
- Gormo 2y ago
  If you're not using the streaming apps, there's not much reason to use the software running on the TV in the first place. There are plenty of cheap devices that offer set-top-box experiences, if that's your thing. A cheap Raspberry Pi running Kodi usually provides a superior experience to the TV's native software even for the streaming services -- I'm paying for Netflix, Disney+, and Paramount Plus and still prefer watching them through Kodi over using the TV's apps. For local content, you don't need anything like Plex. Just plug mass storage directly into the TV, or a RasPi, or just host it on a local server with SMB or NFS. Synology has a Media Server application that can run on your NAS at no extra cost and exposes your media library via DLNA/UPnP, and there are many other such solutions floating around. There are huge number of options here.
  - randunel 2y ago
    My wife doesn't want to have to use 2 remote controls, and I've got friends with similar wants. Plex is the only software which works with the TV's remote, on the TV.
    - Gormo 2y ago
      > Plex is the only software which works with the TV's remote, on the TV. This is not accurate. The protocol that supports using the TV remote to operate software running on external devices is called HDMI-CEC, and it has widespread hardware and software support. Kodi running on a Raspberry Pi supports HDMI-CEC and can be operated through the TV remote.
      - randunel 2y ago
        Thanks, I wasn't aware of HDMI-CEC prior to your comment. It appears that my TV supports it, so it's time to build my own box. I believe my point about Plex still stands, not a lot of people can do what developers do.
        Gormo 2y ago
        Your point about Plex ignores the rich ecosystem of hardware and software that offers equivalent or better functionality to Plex.
ibejoeb 2y ago
We're approaching that rapidly. I wanted to watch a college game on some incarnation of ESPN+, and it was a full day of negotiating with several divisions of Disney, the local provider, the reseller, and I don't even know who else... I probably could have gone to myfreesportscam.xyz or something and been good to go.
lawn 2y ago
It's been easier a long time due to fragmentation alone.
skoinks 2y ago
It's definitely easier... And cheaper. An HDMI cable costs less than a subscription for any streaming service.
antisthenes 2y ago
It never stopped being the easier solution if you were even a tiny bit technically literate.
jzb 2y ago
"Starts"? We crossed that a while back. We're signed up to several services and it's basically the same price as cable used to be but with the added inconvenience of trying to navigate different apps and remembering "wait, was that show on Hulu, or Apple TV, or Netflix?" To say nothing of the fact that, despite having access to what seems like an endless supply of content, it's really common to be unable to find a service that carries the movies or shows we'd like to see. I have a lengthy list of movies and TV shows that either have never made it to streaming, are only available for rental, or only have a partial showing. (e.g., only the first season of WKRP is available, it seems.) Add to that the shit like Amazon adding ads even to the Prime subscription... eff that. Piracy is a lot more attractive if I can't even pay to get rid of ads.
- rufus_foreman 2y ago
  >> never made it to streaming, are only available for rental, or only have a partial showing. (e.g., only the first season of WKRP is available, it seems.) You could always own it forever: https://www.ebay.com/itm/167292774586?_skw=Wkrp+in+Cincinnati%3A+the+Complete+Series+%28DVD%29 https://www.ebay.com/itm/167292774586?_skw=Wkrp+in+Cincinnat...
  - jzb 2y ago
    I do - bought it as soon as it was available. I used that as an example because I know its availability and because it's a bummer my friends can't easily watch it on my recommendation if they wanted to. (See also, "Soap" and "Barney Miller".)
sebazzz 2y ago
Well, given that the want to move to minimum 1-year subscription during - pretty soon I’d say.

These companies must be trying how far they can go before piracy starts being the easier solution again.

hotpocket777 2y ago

It already is

sparsely 2y ago
For example subtitles are terrible on most major streaming services, either don't exist, or are only available in one language. Sometimes they don't even have the original audio track, only a dubbed one! Piracy ensures that multi-language families can happily watch a movie together.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
  I don't disagree, but finding content in Italian through official or side channels is always hard. Which is sad, because it's one of the ways I make sure my kids get enough Italian exposure (we emigrated)

randunel 2y ago

The only reason piracy isn't easy is because of TV vendors gatekeeping what software these TVs run. Unless you use Plex, which allows your own content (but still disallows torrent streaming or sharing your analog TV with your users, so not ideal), you're SOL.

PetitPrince 2y ago
> Unless you use Plex, which allows your own content [...] you're SOL. ... how about connecting a computer to your TV ? Inconvenient depending on your setup, but not hopeless.
- spwa4 2y ago
  True. I wish VLC had some sort of interface browser you could use to just create your own netflix interface.
  - Gormo 2y ago
    That's what Kodi is for. Get a cheap Raspberry Pi, install LibreELEC (a minimal Linux distro that boots directly into Kodi), and you've got a turnkey full-featured media center without much cost or effort. It even supports HDMI-CEC so you can navigate on the RasPi using your TV remote.
  - soco 2y ago
    For windows there's still going around the good old Popcorn Time in its hundredth (or so) incarnation...
- edm0nd 2y ago
  Depending upon the TV type, a lot of them will let you access a networked directory from it and play media directly from it.
reaperducer 2y ago
Unless you use Plex, which allows your own content Or just use an AppleTV, which comes with a built-in program called "Computer" that lets you stream your own content from any Mac on the LAN. I have about 400 movies and thousands of TV shows that I stream this way, in subscription-free bliss. The content comes from CDs, DVDs, and Blu-rays from the library or my own purchases; and I have a $20 gadget that records OTA TV shows and movies onto a USB stick.
- oorza 2y ago
  You don't even need an AppleTV. My Roku and Amazon TVs were both zero-configuration AirPlay targets. And generally speaking, there's not any issue with wifi streaming video - there's a noticeable input lag, but it doesn't desync audio, and videos tend not to be interactive.
  - mezzie2 2y ago
    Yup. I'm introducing my sister to the masterpiece that is Chrono Trigger by playing an emulated version on my Mac streamed to our Roku TV. Works great. Video is even easier.
dmix 2y ago
I use https://airflow.app/ https://airflow.app/ and google cast, worked on every tv I've bought for a decade. I've recently gone back to using that 100% of the time and never use Netflix/Disney. Pirate streaming android apps on those TV boxes aren't worth the effort IMO, they are flaky and stream sources die off, torrents are always easier.
- toraway 2y ago
  Stremio + Torrentio + a debrid service on any Android TV device is by far the easiest method for the average person and is extremely reliable. Just follow a guide on Reddit and you're good to go 20 minutes later with no server needed. Stremio also has apps for some TV OSes like Samsung I believe but haven't tried. I have a whole homelab setup with Plex but switched to Stremio because it's just dead simple, reliable, with a gigantic library. No waiting for downloading either, takes about 10 seconds to start streaming without interruptions. You may be referring to those sketchy pre configured Fire TV sticks sold for 100 bucks or whatever though which are indeed a bad way to go.
jzb 2y ago
There's Plex, but also things like Kodi that just turn a PC into a media center. We're in the midst of a move right now - when we settle, a Mini PC is going to replace the streaming box.
- randunel 2y ago
  Kodi isn't available in the WebOS app library, you probably need to sideload some precompiled app, or even compile it yourself. Plex doesn't need a PC to be installed on the TV, you simply use the remote to download and open the WebOS app.
  - Gormo 2y ago
    Kodi is available as a WebOS app via Homebrew Channel (https://www.webosbrew.org/ https://www.webosbrew.org/) and can be installed through developer mode without even having to root your TV. If you've got some hangup about plugging a video source in your TV -- the way we've always done prior to TV vendors deciding they wanted to not just make the screen but control what's on it -- and would prefer to use a hobbled TV OS running on an underpowered SoC instead of just using a cheap and far superior Rasperry Pi, then, yes, you can indeed still just install Kodi directly onto the TV.
    - randunel 2y ago
      So it's actually worse than I've described, you have to root your TV first...
      - Gormo 2y ago
        No, you don't. Re-read my previous comment.
        randunel 2y ago
        The link you shared literally has the following content: Title "Get Started" First card "Root your TV" Description "Jailbreak your TV and install Homebrew Channel. Gain more control over your TV" So, to install Homebrew Channel, as your comment instructs, I'd first need to root my TV. No way are any non devs capable of that. Re-read the link you've shared.
CaptainZapp 2y ago
What about just plugging an USB stick with whatever you want to watch into the TV?
- randunel 2y ago
  The Plex solution makes it as easy as streaming, simply use the remote control whenever you want to watch something. Imagine the USB stick flow from downloading to viewing.
Gormo 2y ago
If you're not using the streaming apps, there's not much reason to use the software running on the TV in the first place. There are plenty of cheap devices that offer set-top-box experiences, if that's your thing. A cheap Raspberry Pi running Kodi usually provides a superior experience to the TV's native software even for the streaming services -- I'm paying for Netflix, Disney+, and Paramount Plus and still prefer watching them through Kodi over using the TV's apps. For local content, you don't need anything like Plex. Just plug mass storage directly into the TV, or a RasPi, or just host it on a local server with SMB or NFS. Synology has a Media Server application that can run on your NAS at no extra cost and exposes your media library via DLNA/UPnP, and there are many other such solutions floating around. There are huge number of options here.
- randunel 2y ago
  My wife doesn't want to have to use 2 remote controls, and I've got friends with similar wants. Plex is the only software which works with the TV's remote, on the TV.
  - Gormo 2y ago
    > Plex is the only software which works with the TV's remote, on the TV. This is not accurate. The protocol that supports using the TV remote to operate software running on external devices is called HDMI-CEC, and it has widespread hardware and software support. Kodi running on a Raspberry Pi supports HDMI-CEC and can be operated through the TV remote.
    - randunel 2y ago
      Thanks, I wasn't aware of HDMI-CEC prior to your comment. It appears that my TV supports it, so it's time to build my own box. I believe my point about Plex still stands, not a lot of people can do what developers do.
      - Gormo 2y ago
        Your point about Plex ignores the rich ecosystem of hardware and software that offers equivalent or better functionality to Plex.

ibejoeb 2y ago

We're approaching that rapidly. I wanted to watch a college game on some incarnation of ESPN+, and it was a full day of negotiating with several divisions of Disney, the local provider, the reseller, and I don't even know who else... I probably could have gone to myfreesportscam.xyz or something and been good to go.

lawn 2y ago

It's been easier a long time due to fragmentation alone.

skoinks 2y ago

It's definitely easier... And cheaper. An HDMI cable costs less than a subscription for any streaming service.

antisthenes 2y ago

It never stopped being the easier solution if you were even a tiny bit technically literate.

jzb 2y ago

"Starts"? We crossed that a while back. We're signed up to several services and it's basically the same price as cable used to be but with the added inconvenience of trying to navigate different apps and remembering "wait, was that show on Hulu, or Apple TV, or Netflix?" To say nothing of the fact that, despite having access to what seems like an endless supply of content, it's really common to be unable to find a service that carries the movies or shows we'd like to see. I have a lengthy list of movies and TV shows that either have never made it to streaming, are only available for rental, or only have a partial showing. (e.g., only the first season of WKRP is available, it seems.) Add to that the shit like Amazon adding ads even to the Prime subscription... eff that. Piracy is a lot more attractive if I can't even pay to get rid of ads.

rufus_foreman 2y ago
>> never made it to streaming, are only available for rental, or only have a partial showing. (e.g., only the first season of WKRP is available, it seems.) You could always own it forever: https://www.ebay.com/itm/167292774586?_skw=Wkrp+in+Cincinnati%3A+the+Complete+Series+%28DVD%29 https://www.ebay.com/itm/167292774586?_skw=Wkrp+in+Cincinnat...
- jzb 2y ago
  I do - bought it as soon as it was available. I used that as an example because I know its availability and because it's a bummer my friends can't easily watch it on my recommendation if they wanted to. (See also, "Soap" and "Barney Miller".)

sebazzz 2y ago

Well, given that the want to move to minimum 1-year subscription during - pretty soon I’d say.