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That's a fun project. But I wonder: is it a good idea to connect to the internet from these old systems?

by Pavilion2095 2y ago

rschiavone 2y ago
That's the beauty about fun projects. They don't have to be good ideas.
bilekas 2y ago
Absolutely not.. It is fun to watch what happens though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssTIx0qm2to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssTIx0qm2to
- diggan 2y ago
  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the conclusion from that video seems to be that it's OK to connect Win98 to the internet in 2024, as nothing really happened? I expected the installation to be infected very quickly, but seems it just got a bunch of port scans and not much more than that.
  - bilekas 2y ago
    I was expecting it to be worse to be honest, but thinking rationally about it, how many people would be targeting win9x these days ? Security by 'obsolete' !
  - jabroni_salad 2y ago
    For awhile mirai botnet was able to infect anything using upnp and a default credential within 20 minutes of it being connected. These days ISPs are better about shutting that kind of thing down. They monitor for botnet activity in their networks and their modem/router gateway combo devices are a lot more robust than they were in the 00's. It is also more acceptable now than it was to ship routers with upnp turned off by default, which helps A LOT.
    - thomastjeffery 2y ago
      Unfortunately, that also tends to come with the inability to turn upnp (or any port forwarding whatsoever) back on. For example, I'm paying double the local market rate of a 1gbit connection for ~150-300mbit connection, and I can't even change my WiFi password or SSID. That's just how everyone expects renting to be these days. It's not worth the hassle to fight it, so I just hack around with tailnet instead.
vel0city 2y ago
I wouldn't give it a public IP with no other firewall but plugged in at home temporarily from time to time behind a decent firewall it's probably fine unless you've already got Mirai botnet stuff happening in your home.

That's a fun project. But I wonder: is it a good idea to connect to the internet from these old systems?

That's the beauty about fun projects. They don't have to be good ideas.

Absolutely not.. It is fun to watch what happens though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssTIx0qm2to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssTIx0qm2to

diggan 2y ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the conclusion from that video seems to be that it's OK to connect Win98 to the internet in 2024, as nothing really happened? I expected the installation to be infected very quickly, but seems it just got a bunch of port scans and not much more than that.
- bilekas 2y ago
  I was expecting it to be worse to be honest, but thinking rationally about it, how many people would be targeting win9x these days ? Security by 'obsolete' !
- jabroni_salad 2y ago
  For awhile mirai botnet was able to infect anything using upnp and a default credential within 20 minutes of it being connected. These days ISPs are better about shutting that kind of thing down. They monitor for botnet activity in their networks and their modem/router gateway combo devices are a lot more robust than they were in the 00's. It is also more acceptable now than it was to ship routers with upnp turned off by default, which helps A LOT.
  - thomastjeffery 2y ago
    Unfortunately, that also tends to come with the inability to turn upnp (or any port forwarding whatsoever) back on. For example, I'm paying double the local market rate of a 1gbit connection for ~150-300mbit connection, and I can't even change my WiFi password or SSID. That's just how everyone expects renting to be these days. It's not worth the hassle to fight it, so I just hack around with tailnet instead.

vel0city 2y ago

I wouldn't give it a public IP with no other firewall but plugged in at home temporarily from time to time behind a decent firewall it's probably fine unless you've already got Mirai botnet stuff happening in your home.