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Maybe AWS knew this. In China they already operate under a different company. "AWS plans to invest €7.8 billion into the AWS European Sovereign Cloud " - https

by belter 2y ago

Maybe AWS knew this. In China they already operate under a different company. "AWS plans to invest €7.8 billion into the AWS European Sovereign Cloud " - https://www.aboutamazon.eu/news/aws/aws-plans-to-invest-7-8-billion-into-the-aws-european-sovereign-cloud https://www.aboutamazon.eu/news/aws/aws-plans-to-invest-7-8-... "...The AWS European Sovereign Cloud will provide customers the capability to meet stringent operational autonomy and data residency requirements within the European Union (EU), with infrastructure wholly located within the EU and operated independently from existing Regions. The AWS European Sovereign Cloud will allow customers to keep all customer data and the metadata they create (such as the roles, permissions, resource labels, and configurations they use to run AWS) in the EU..."

d1sxeyes 2y ago
Yeah, they'll all just set up new opcos in the EU to carry on doing business, rather than actually selling up.
- WJW 2y ago
  The goal of such regulation would be to reduce the amount of influence US tech billionaires can exert over the EU. Any regulation would be written with that in mind, so an opco which would still be controlled from the US is not in line with that goal. At the very least, regulation could enforce that any opcos (more joint ventures at that point) would be at least 51% owned and operated by EU entities.
mrtksn 2y ago
EU tried hard to guarantee open markets through rules based security but this is now out of fashion. Instead, the new game is to close your markets to foreigners and say its for national security reasons. This might be bad for the citizens as it is limiting and breaking the global humanity ideal and I hate it that this is happening but EU must be really stupid to have the only open market then get ridiculed for not having "global" tech companies. As it appears, the world going forward would be like the Chinese "tech" will be for 1.4B people, the US "tech" will be to 330M people and the EU "tech" will be for 450M people. At this time, because you can access the EU market form US you can just form your business in US and hire people from EU to do the work. If EU imposes limits, suddenly it makes sense to invest in EU. If you think about it, EU+UK+Asia taxpayers educate most of the "US talent". Very few of the people who invented the tech are US educated, the US educated ones tend to be the money guy or the entrepreneur free riding on foreign tax money. Time to end the EU subsidies to US companies or maybe impose tariffs to make up for it. US is being very bad for EU, doing very nasty stuff.
- Maken 2y ago
  Do not forget the Indian "tech" for another 1.4B people. They are also placing restrictions on how Indian's data is handled on the cloud.
  - mrtksn 2y ago
    True, India is also a "tech" giant already. For them getting rid of foreigners is a piece of cake even if their average citizen is much poorer. The very large population is also an advantage. I don't know about countries like Brazil etc. but I am sure that they will notice the benefits of having local companies too.
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  > EU must be really stupid to have the only open market then get ridiculed for not having "global" tech companies I'm not sure how these are related. The EU has far less money than the US for speculative, big payoff investments, to my knowledge. That's why there's less chance of creating new companies (and new markets) compared to the US.
  - mrtksn 2y ago
    "Tech" is now mature, doesn't need much speculative capital to create the alternatives for US tech giants. Protection will do it, for example banning Google Maps can immediately enable its replacements to take over. Moreover, EU actually has plenty of capital as savings per capita are significantly higher than US. They lack a nice fluid market for it as Europe is much more fragmented than the USA. Recently they announced the creation of a new regime to address that(something like a virtual country with simplified regulations).
rcarmo 2y ago
Everyone does that in China. You always need a separata contract with a cleared entity.
Sander_Marechal 2y ago
As long as it is a subsidiary of Amazon US in any way, shape or form, this won't work, because it's not safe from FISA.

by belter 2y ago

d1sxeyes 2y ago

Yeah, they'll all just set up new opcos in the EU to carry on doing business, rather than actually selling up.

WJW 2y ago
The goal of such regulation would be to reduce the amount of influence US tech billionaires can exert over the EU. Any regulation would be written with that in mind, so an opco which would still be controlled from the US is not in line with that goal. At the very least, regulation could enforce that any opcos (more joint ventures at that point) would be at least 51% owned and operated by EU entities.

mrtksn 2y ago

EU tried hard to guarantee open markets through rules based security but this is now out of fashion. Instead, the new game is to close your markets to foreigners and say its for national security reasons. This might be bad for the citizens as it is limiting and breaking the global humanity ideal and I hate it that this is happening but EU must be really stupid to have the only open market then get ridiculed for not having "global" tech companies. As it appears, the world going forward would be like the Chinese "tech" will be for 1.4B people, the US "tech" will be to 330M people and the EU "tech" will be for 450M people. At this time, because you can access the EU market form US you can just form your business in US and hire people from EU to do the work. If EU imposes limits, suddenly it makes sense to invest in EU. If you think about it, EU+UK+Asia taxpayers educate most of the "US talent". Very few of the people who invented the tech are US educated, the US educated ones tend to be the money guy or the entrepreneur free riding on foreign tax money. Time to end the EU subsidies to US companies or maybe impose tariffs to make up for it. US is being very bad for EU, doing very nasty stuff.

Maken 2y ago
Do not forget the Indian "tech" for another 1.4B people. They are also placing restrictions on how Indian's data is handled on the cloud.
- mrtksn 2y ago
  True, India is also a "tech" giant already. For them getting rid of foreigners is a piece of cake even if their average citizen is much poorer. The very large population is also an advantage. I don't know about countries like Brazil etc. but I am sure that they will notice the benefits of having local companies too.
robertlagrant 2y ago
> EU must be really stupid to have the only open market then get ridiculed for not having "global" tech companies I'm not sure how these are related. The EU has far less money than the US for speculative, big payoff investments, to my knowledge. That's why there's less chance of creating new companies (and new markets) compared to the US.
- mrtksn 2y ago
  "Tech" is now mature, doesn't need much speculative capital to create the alternatives for US tech giants. Protection will do it, for example banning Google Maps can immediately enable its replacements to take over. Moreover, EU actually has plenty of capital as savings per capita are significantly higher than US. They lack a nice fluid market for it as Europe is much more fragmented than the USA. Recently they announced the creation of a new regime to address that(something like a virtual country with simplified regulations).

rcarmo 2y ago

Everyone does that in China. You always need a separata contract with a cleared entity.

Sander_Marechal 2y ago

As long as it is a subsidiary of Amazon US in any way, shape or form, this won't work, because it's not safe from FISA.