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WSJ should be embarrassed and fire that writer. Getting basic tenets of history wrong and misleading millions? What a sham.

lutze 14y ago
Fire him... Are you serious? Like the truth has ever mattered to Murdoch. This writer is exactly on message, they'll give him a bonus.
- mseebach 14y ago
  Yes. Polemic columnists is a phenomenon exclusively observed in the Murdoch-owned end of the world.
  - lutze 14y ago
    "BUT EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING IT!!!!" is not an excuse you'd accept from a child, so why does it become an acceptable defence in politics and journalism?
    - mseebach 14y ago
      Good thing that's not what I said, then.
      - lutze 14y ago
        Your comment seemed quite sarcastic, and looked to be trying to equivocate responsibility. Not that I'm above using sarcasm myself, obviously. The fact is, that in this instance, a Murdoch owned media company is clearly distorting the truth to further a political agenda. So in this instance, it is perfectly reasonable to criticise Murdoch in particular, without having to resort to qualifications. In my opinion of course.
        mseebach 14y ago
        You implied causation between working for a Murdoch-owned media outlet and writing a column with a light take on the facts. That's fallacious, and that's why I called it out.
        lutze 14y ago
        No, I implied causation between working for a Murdoch owned media outlet and writing a column furthering a specific political agenda. The lying part is incidental really.
    - jamesbritt 14y ago
      ... so why does it become an acceptable defence in politics and journalism? It didn't sound like a defense, but an observation that, sadly, this is common behavior. I also suspect it was a sly reference to some of the comments on HN, too.
  - rhizome 14y ago
    Who said it was limited to Murdoch-land? Nobody.
russell 14y ago
From the WSJ: "Gordon Crovitz is a media and information industry advisor and executive, including former publisher of The Wall Street Journal, executive vice president of Dow Jones and president of its Consumer Media Group." Not exactly a random stringer.

lutze 14y ago

Fire him... Are you serious? Like the truth has ever mattered to Murdoch. This writer is exactly on message, they'll give him a bonus.

mseebach 14y ago
Yes. Polemic columnists is a phenomenon exclusively observed in the Murdoch-owned end of the world.
- lutze 14y ago
  "BUT EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING IT!!!!" is not an excuse you'd accept from a child, so why does it become an acceptable defence in politics and journalism?
  - mseebach 14y ago
    Good thing that's not what I said, then.
    - lutze 14y ago
      Your comment seemed quite sarcastic, and looked to be trying to equivocate responsibility. Not that I'm above using sarcasm myself, obviously. The fact is, that in this instance, a Murdoch owned media company is clearly distorting the truth to further a political agenda. So in this instance, it is perfectly reasonable to criticise Murdoch in particular, without having to resort to qualifications. In my opinion of course.
      - mseebach 14y ago
        You implied causation between working for a Murdoch-owned media outlet and writing a column with a light take on the facts. That's fallacious, and that's why I called it out.
        lutze 14y ago
        No, I implied causation between working for a Murdoch owned media outlet and writing a column furthering a specific political agenda. The lying part is incidental really.
  - jamesbritt 14y ago
    ... so why does it become an acceptable defence in politics and journalism? It didn't sound like a defense, but an observation that, sadly, this is common behavior. I also suspect it was a sly reference to some of the comments on HN, too.
- rhizome 14y ago
  Who said it was limited to Murdoch-land? Nobody.

russell 14y ago

From the WSJ: "Gordon Crovitz is a media and information industry advisor and executive, including former publisher of The Wall Street Journal, executive vice president of Dow Jones and president of its Consumer Media Group." Not exactly a random stringer.